How does momentum, inertia and drag affect the motion of an object?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of momentum, inertia, and drag on the motion of an object, particularly in the context of acceleration from thrust and deceleration due to drag. Participants explore theoretical aspects and practical implications of these concepts, including how they interact during motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how inertia affects changes in speed when a force is applied, suggesting a need for clarity on the role of inertia in the equation F = ma.
  • Another participant asserts that inertia is included in the equation and states that air resistance is merely a force, claiming momentum does not impact the situation.
  • A participant challenges the idea that momentum has no effect on how quickly an object slows down due to air resistance and seeks clarification on calculating the minimum force required to move a mass.
  • Another response elaborates that while momentum is defined as mass times velocity, air resistance is a function of velocity squared, indicating that changes in momentum can influence drag, but mass does not appear in the drag equation.
  • One participant acknowledges confusion regarding friction and the necessity to overcome opposing forces to move a mass, while recognizing that momentum and inertia relate to mass but do not affect the rate of slowing from drag.
  • A later reply emphasizes the qualitative nature of the discussion, explaining that momentum allows a body to impart motion and that inertia is a measure of mass, while drag is a complex function of speed and geometry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between momentum, inertia, and drag, with no consensus reached on how these concepts interact in the context of motion. Some participants assert that momentum does not affect deceleration due to drag, while others argue that it does.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion is qualitative and lacks a specific problem to analyze, which may limit the depth of the exploration into the interactions of momentum, inertia, and drag.

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How does momentum and inertia affect changes in speed, when considering acceleration from thrust, or from decelleration from drag?

Say, for a fixed mass of 100kg, at a velocity of 10m/s, is a force of 10N is applied in the forwards direction, then F = ma -> a = F/m. a = 10/100, a = 0.1 m/s^2. But how does the object's inertia affect this? Or is that dealt with in that equation?

Also, if the same object where no longer being forced forwards, how would the air resistance affect the motion of the object when considering its momentum and inertia?
 
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Inertia is the property of mass that resists acceleration, so it's in the equation. Air resistance is just a force. And momentum doesn't have any impact here.
 
So the momentum has nothing to do with how fast an object slows down due to air resistance?

Also, with inertia, how can you calculate the minimum force required to move a mass? And if you apply a force greater than the minimum, how will it affect the resulting acceleration?

Thankyou for your time.
 
Pharrahnox said:
So the momentum has nothing to do with how fast an object slows down due to air resistance?

Also, with inertia, how can you calculate the minimum force required to move a mass? And if you apply a force greater than the minimum, how will it affect the resulting acceleration?

Well of course momentum being mass×velocity, and air resistance (drag) being a product of velocity2, then yes, changing the momentum will change the air resistance. Mass and/or inertia don't appear in the drag equation, so objects with similar size and shape but different masses will have about the same amount of drag.

As for minimum force - it seems you are asking about our environment here on the surface of a planet, where things are affected by gravity and friction. ANY force will move ANY mass, although perhaps by an imperceptible amount, under the right circumstances - out in deep space, for instance.
 
Ok, so my confusion was from not taking into account friction, when trying to move a mass. So to move it, you must overcome the opposing forces, such as friction. And I see what you mean about momentum and inertia being proportional to mass, but not affect the slowing rate from drag.

Thanks again everyone for their help.
 
Pharrahnox said:
How does momentum and inertia affect changes in speed, when considering acceleration from thrust, or from decelleration from drag?
We can only answer qualitatively since we don’t have a specific problem that we’re working with.

Momentum is the property of a body that is able to impart motion (and hence momentum) into other bodies. Inertia is a measure of the mass of a body and is what gives a body momentum. Drag is a force that is depending on the geometry of the body and acts in the direction opposite to the motion of the body. In general it’s a complicated function of the body’s speed.

Pharrahnox said:
Say, for a fixed mass of 100kg, at a velocity of 10m/s, is a force of 10N is applied in the forwards direction, then F = ma -> a = F/m. a = 10/100, a = 0.1 m/s^2. But how does the object's inertia affect this? Or is that dealt with in that equation?
This statement is not worded precisely enough to answer your question. You didn’t say what the meaning of F is. Is it the total force on the body, i.e. the sum of all forces acting on the body? If so then F = dp/dt = ma. However if this is only the applied force, i.e. the force acting on the body by, say, an electric field E on a charged pith ball, charge q, then ma = qE – s(v) where s(v) is the expression for the drag force. This is an example of damped motion.
 

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