How Does Non-Linear Friction Affect Torque in Drilling?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of non-linear friction on torque in drilling applications. Participants explore the relationship between frictional torque and normal force, particularly in the context of different geometries of contact surfaces, such as a flat tip of a drill or a round solid rod. The conversation includes inquiries about the formulation of torque in relation to friction and seeks to derive expressions for various shapes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for frictional torque, suggesting it can be expressed as τ_{friction} = β F_{normal}, and questions its validity and the terminology used for this effect.
  • Another participant provides a specific formula for frictional torque on a flat tip of a round solid rod, indicating it is dependent on the rod's diameter and the normal force.
  • A participant expresses interest in deriving a general expression for frictional torque for different shapes and requests guidance on this derivation.
  • A mathematical derivation is shared, leading to a formula that relates frictional torque to the normal force and the dimensions of the rod.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the existence of frictional torque but express uncertainty regarding its comprehensive treatment in literature and the formulation for different shapes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to derive a general expression for frictional torque.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of established terminology for non-linear friction effects and the dependence of the derived expressions on specific geometrical configurations. The discussion does not resolve the assumptions underlying the derivations presented.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in mechanical engineering, tribology, and applications involving friction in drilling or rotating systems may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi everyone.

This is not a homework problem. I am very familiar with the case of linear(direction) friction.
[tex]F_{friction}=\mu F_{normal}[/tex] ...(1)
However my question is closer to something like this:
[tex]\tau_{friction}=\beta F_{normal}[/tex] ...(2)
Where [tex]\tau_{friction}[/tex] is a torque

Imagine if a shaft were to be making contact with the floor at its stub. Assuming the normal force that the shaft exerts on the ground is known. Then how much torque would need to be applied around the shafts axis to make it overcome friction and start turning.

Maybe another analogy would be a drill with a flat tip, how much torque would the flat tip need to overcome friction ?

Is equation 2 of the right form ? what name does this effect go by because so far I could only find references to linear friction.
 
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Frictional torque on flat tip of round solid rod, T = mu*(d/3)*N, where d = rod diameter, and N = normal force rod exerts on floor. This assumes the rod is normal to the floor surface.
 


Hi nvn, thanks that helps a lot. I see "frictional torque" doesn't appear to be a very well covered topic. I was surprised to see that it is a function of the dimensions of the contacting area.
Could you please guide me to a derivation of frictional torque ? I would like to find an expression for other shapes as well.
 
Pressure[/color] p = N/A; rod diameter D = 2*r2.

[tex]\begin{equation*}\begin{split}T<br /> &= \int\int r{\cdot}(\mu\,p)\,dA\\[0.5mm]<br /> &=\ \mu\,p\int\int r\,dr\,(r\,d\theta)\\[2mm]<br /> &=\ \mu\,p\int_{0}^{2\,\pi}\int_{0}^{r_2}r^2\,dr\:d\theta\\[3mm]<br /> &=\ (D/3)\,\mu\,N\end{split}\end{equation*}[/tex]
 


OK Thanks! that helps a lot :)
 

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