I Transmission of torque using friction

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The discussion focuses on deriving the expression for torque transmission using friction, initially for planar surfaces and then exploring the complexities of spherical contact. The derived formula for planar surfaces is confirmed to be accurate, but challenges arise when attempting to apply similar principles to spherical surfaces due to varying normal forces and pressure distributions. The participants debate whether a planar case inherently produces greater friction than a spherical one, considering factors like leverage and pressure concentration. There is also a suggestion to analyze conical sections as an approach to understanding the spherical case better. Overall, the conversation highlights the difficulties in calculating torque transmission in non-planar contacts and the need for further exploration of pressure distribution effects.
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Juanda said:
@Lnewqban This is my approach to the conical section. It's more of a combination of intuition and a leap of faith so let's see if it makes sense.

I first simplified the conical section to two flat angled surfaces.
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Because it's static we can say:
$$\sum F_x = 0 \rightarrow F+2R\cos (\alpha)=0 \rightarrow R=\frac{-F}{2\cos(\alpha)}$$
We can see from that how the angle causes the reaction to be bigger in magnitude just as expected.
Isn't there a frictional force component of ## 2 \mu R \cos \theta ## missing from this force balance?
 
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erobz said:
Isn't there a frictional force component of ## 2 \mu R \cos \theta ## missing from this force balance?
I think you're right. I should have added the frictional force tangent to the surfaces as well.
In that case, the expression I get is:
$$\sum F_x=0\rightarrow F+2R\cos(\alpha)+2\mu R\cos(\alpha+\frac{\pi}{2})=0\rightarrow F+2R(\cos(\alpha)-\mu\sin(\alpha))=0$$
$$R=\frac{-F}{2(\cos(\alpha)-\mu\sin(\alpha))}$$
Then, the normal stress to the surface would be again:
$$\sigma =\frac{R}{A}$$
If I tried to slide the block in the ##z## direction (in or out of the screen) while applying ##F##, then the opposing force would be ##\mu R## I believe.
 
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Please note that there are two regimes of friction: uniform pressure and uniform wear. At the beginning the pressure is uniform and wear is uneven. But, after the running-in phase, the wear becomes uniform and pressure adjustes unevenly. This is important in practice since there exists noticeable difference between the two situations.
 

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