How Does Non-Radial Symmetry Affect the Fourier Transform of 1/|r|?

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The discussion centers on the Fourier transform of the function \(\frac{1}{|\mathbf{r_1} - \mathbf{r_2}|}\) over a finite cube of unit volume, particularly examining the implications of non-radial symmetry in the expression. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and the effects of altering the symmetry of the distance metric.

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  • One participant poses a question about the Fourier transform of \(\frac{1}{|\mathbf{r_1} - \mathbf{r_2}|}\) when the distance metric is modified to include non-radial symmetry, suggesting a potential change in the Fourier coefficients.
  • Another participant questions the formulation of the original question, asking for clarification on whether the inquiry pertains to the Fourier series or the Fourier transform, and requests explicit definitions of the variables involved.
  • A later reply clarifies that the function of interest is \(\frac{1}{|\mathbf{r_1} - \mathbf{r_2}|}\), emphasizing the complications introduced by the finite boundaries of the unit cube, which leads to a modified expression for the Fourier coefficients.
  • One participant suggests extending the domain to infinity and using the convolution theorem, indicating that the Fourier transform could be represented as a convolution involving a sinc function.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about finding a simple analytical form for the Fourier coefficients and raises a new function involving arbitrary constants \(a\) and \(b\), questioning how this alteration affects the Fourier transform.

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Participants express differing views on the formulation of the problem and the implications of non-radial symmetry. There is no consensus on the correct approach or the effects of the changes proposed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the function abruptly vanishes outside the unit cube, complicating the evaluation of the Fourier transform. There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and assumptions related to the variables involved in the integral.

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Hi,

I have a question about the Fourier transform of \frac{1}{|\mathbf{r_1} - \mathbf{r_2}|} over a finite cube of unit volume. Where |\mathbf{r_1} - \mathbf{r_2}| is \sqrt{(x_1-x_2)^2 + (y_1-y_2)^2 + (z_1-z_2)^2}

I know it looks like

\sum_\mathbf{k} f_k e^{-i\mathbf{k}\cdot (\mathbf{r_1}-\mathbf{r_2})}

where f_k is the Fourier coefficient

f_k = \frac{1}{V} \int_V \frac {e^{-i\mathbf{k} \cdot \mathbf{r} } } {|\mathbf{r}| } d\mathbf{r}

over the volume {-1,1}{-1,1}{-1,1}

My question is, what happens when \frac{1}{|\mathbf{r_1} - \mathbf{r_2}|} is not radially symmetric. Say |\mathbf{r_1} - \mathbf{r_2}| is

\sqrt{(x_1-x_2)^2 + a(y_1-y_2)^2 + b(z_1-z_2)^2}

would the expression then become

\sum_\mathbf{k} f_k e^{-i\mathbf{k}\cdot (x_1-x_2)}e^{-i\mathbf{k}\cdot a(y_1-y_2)}e^{-i\mathbf{k}\cdot b(z_1-z_2)}

and would the coefficient f_k be affected? My guess is yes it would be over the interval {-1,1},{-a,a},{-b,b}

Is this correct?

Thanks
 
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Hi!
May I ask you a couple of questions before attempting to provide an answer?

1) First of all, from the second formula in your post, the one where you have a summation, it seems that you are asking for the Fourier series expansion, not the Fourier transform, as you wrote in the title. Which one are you interested in?

2) Can you write explicitly the function (with all its variables) you want to find the Fourier transform of?

3) you have not defined r inside the integral.

4) Is r1 your variable and r2 some constant?
(note: if the answer is yes, you can first of all apply the shift-theorem to get rid of r2 inside the integral)

I personally feel that your question is formulated in a very confusing way, or maybe it's just me. Please clarify those points I asked, and then maybe we can provide some help to answer your last question on symmetry.
 
mnb96 said:
Hi!
May I ask you a couple of questions before attempting to provide an answer?

Sure! Thanks for the help.

1) First of all, from the second formula in your post, the one where you have a summation, it seems that you are asking for the Fourier series expansion, not the Fourier transform, as you wrote in the title. Which one are you interested in?

2) Can you write explicitly the function (with all its variables) you want to find the Fourier transform of?

3) you have not defined r inside the integral.

Sorry I will try and be more clear. Ultimately I am looking for the Fourier expansion, but the Fourier transform is giving me the most trouble. The function is

F(\mathbf{r_1},{r_2}) = \frac{1}{|\mathbf{r_1-r_2}|}

where r_1 and r_2 are 3 dimensional vectors. More explicitly

F(x_1,y_1,z_1,x_2,y_2,z_2) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{(x_1 - x_2)^2 +(y_1 - y_2)^2 + (z_1-z_2)^2}}

Normally, I just employ the Fourier coefficient

f_k = \frac{4 \pi}{k^2}

to get the expansion. But this time I am dealing with an extra complication. If any of the variables x_1,y_1,z_1,x_2,y_2,z_2 are greater than 1 or less than 0, the value of the function is 0. I.e. Instead of vanishing when the separation between r_1 and r_2 approaches infinity, the function abruptly vanishes if r_1 or r_2 is outside the unit cube. Effectively, the function outside this cuboidal boundaries is "chopped off". The form of f_k becomes:

f_k = \frac{1}{V} \int_V \frac {e^{-i\mathbf{k} \cdot \mathbf{r} } } {|\mathbf{r}| } d\mathbf{r}

This is a three-dimensional integral (r is a three-dimensional vector) and is integrated over {-1,1} in each dimension. I.e.

f_k = \frac{1}{8} \int^1_{-1} \int^1_{-1} \int^1_{-1} \cdots dxdydz

4) Is r1 your variable and r2 some constant?
(note: if the answer is yes, you can first of all apply the shift-theorem to get rid of r2 inside the integral)

Unfortunately no. It is a 6-dimensional integral.
 
You can extend the domain to infinity writing the function as the product of f and the characteristic function of the cube.
Then by the convolution theorem the Fourier transform is the convolution of f_k and something like sinc(k).

Don't know if you can go any further
 
aesir said:
You can extend the domain to infinity writing the function as the product of f and the characteristic function of the cube.
Then by the convolution theorem the Fourier transform is the convolution of f_k and something like sinc(k).

Don't know if you can go any further

f_k itself isn't too hard to evaluate numerically. I don't expect to find a simple analytical form. What I am wondering is how things change when I instead deal with the function

F(x_1,y_1,z_1,x_2,y_2,z_2) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{(x_1 - x_2)^2 +a(y_1 - y_2)^2 + b(z_1-z_2)^2}}

where a and b are arbitrary constants.
 

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