How does normal force makes us feel our weight?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of normal force and its relationship to the sensation of weight. Participants explore the conditions under which we feel weightlessness and the role of gravity and normal force in this experience, touching on theoretical and conceptual aspects of physics.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that we feel weightlessness when the acceleration of gravity is matched by another downward acceleration, such as in a freely falling elevator, leading to a normal force of zero.
  • Others argue that the sensation of weight is due to the normal force exerted by a surface, which creates strain and compression in the body, and that gravity alone does not cause these sensations.
  • A participant questions whether gravity can cause strains, suggesting that it affects all parts of the body uniformly, while another notes that a strong gravity gradient could lead to noticeable effects.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of jumping in an elevator and how the relative accelerations affect the experience of weight, with differing interpretations of how gravity and the elevator's motion interact.
  • There is a contention regarding the terminology used to describe forces acting on the body during these scenarios, with some clarifying that the sensation of being "dragged down" is due to gravity rather than the elevator's motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the relationship between normal force and the sensation of weight, with no consensus reached on the nuances of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on assumptions about the uniformity of gravitational force and the conditions under which normal force is felt, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion also highlights the complexity of interpreting forces in varying contexts, such as in an elevator.

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So I have been asking my self these questions lately. I know it is some basics of physics and I should probably know the answer..

Why do we feel weightlessness when we hit the acceleration of gravity (9.8) exactly?
Probably so that the surface that we are standing on doesn't need to produce any normal force on us so we don't feel weight. For instance, The elevator.. When the acceleration is exactly at 9.8 downward
then Mg - n = ma
and by that n = 0

But how do normal force makes us feel our weight? that what I couldn't understand.
 
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Biker said:
But how do normal force makes us feel our weight? that what I couldn't understand.
What you feel are strain and compression of your body. For that you need a non uniform force, like a contact force acting only on some body parts. A uniform force field, like gravity on small scale, cannot cause such strains.
 
A.T. said:
What you feel are strain and compression of your body. For that you need a non uniform force, like a contact force acting only on some body parts. A uniform force field, like gravity on small scale, cannot cause such strains.
I think I have got what you mean. Yea awesome :)
but one question, Gravity can't cause strains because gravity affects each part of our body with the same acceleration right?
 
Biker said:
Gravity can't cause strains because gravity affects each part of our body with the same acceleration right?
Yes, unless you have a strong gravity gradient.
 
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Biker said:
I think I have got what you mean. Yea awesome :)
but one question, Gravity can't cause strains because gravity affects each part of our body with the same acceleration right?

It can and does cause strains, but on Earth at our everyday scale the gradient isn't strong enough to notice, hence why A.T. answered "No" to your question. If we increase the gravity or increase the scale then the gradient's effects become noticeable. For example, the gravitational gradient of the moon's gravity on Earth is large enough to cause tides. See here for more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_force
 
That's true
The gravitational force acting on us is not strong enough to cause strains/compressions in our body
As a result it's the reaction force of the surface or rather the normal force which causes us to feel our "weight"
Imagine you were falling freely
And don't neglect air resistance
Wouldn't you have some deformation in your face/mouth?
What force do you think causes this deformation(it's a type of frictional/drag force exerted by the air)?:)
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Biker said:
So I have been asking my self these questions lately. I know it is some basics of physics and I should probably know the answer..

Why do we feel weightlessness when we hit the acceleration of gravity (9.8) exactly?
We don't. We feel "weightlessness" when there is no floor beneath us to press upward on us. The acceleration is irrelevant.

Probably so that the surface that we are standing on doesn't need to produce any normal force on us so we don't feel weight. For instance, The elevator.. When the acceleration is exactly at 9.8 downward
then Mg - n = ma
and by that n = 0

But how do normal force makes us feel our weight? that what I couldn't understand.
"Normal force" (specifically force normal to the floor) is the definition of "weight".
 
HallsofIvy said:
We don't. We feel "weightlessness" when there is no floor beneath us to press upward on us. The acceleration is irrelevant."Normal force" (specifically force normal to the floor) is the definition of "weight".
The acceleration is relevant in Earth daily life I believe. If you are going down in elevator in a acceleration of let's say 3 m/s/s and you jump you will be dragged down because your speed is much faster than the elevator( because the acceleration of gravity) so I guess from what you are saying that we feel it for a few seconds because we are not touching the ground?
But in a elevator with 9.8m/s/s acceleration and we jump then ( I think that we will hit the top of the elevator because the speed of it will be always faster than ours until we get the same speed) But we won't reach the bottom because it is moving away from us at the same speed we are moving to it.

I guess I am blabbing too much right? XD
 
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No! You are not "dragged down by the elevator. You are "dragged down" by the force of gravity. If you jump up in an elevator, as long as you are not making contact with the floor of the elevator, it is exactly the same as if the elevator were not there. Of course, you will have, at the instant you jump, the same speed as the elevator. As long as the acceleration, downward, is less than the acceleration due to gravity, you will shortly make contact with the floor. If the acceleration of the elevator itself were -9.81 m/s^2 the elevator itself would be in "free fall" as would anyone in it. Again, it would be exactly as if the elevator were not there. (I hope you are not confusing "acceleration" and "speed". For the great majority of any elevator ride, up or down, the elevator's acceleration is 0.)
 
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HallsofIvy said:
No! You are not "dragged down by the elevator. You are "dragged down" by the force of gravity. If you jump up in an elevator, as long as you are not making contact with the floor of the elevator, it is exactly the same as if the elevator were not there. Of course, you will have, at the instant you jump, the same speed as the elevator. As long as the acceleration, downward, is less than the acceleration due to gravity, you will shortly make contact with the floor. If the acceleration of the elevator itself were -9.81 m/s^2 the elevator itself would be in "free fall" as would anyone in it. Again, it would be exactly as if the elevator were not there. (I hope you are not confusing "acceleration" and "speed". For the great majority of any elevator ride, up or down, the elevator's acceleration is 0.)
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When did I said dragged down by the elevator ._.?
What you said is what I said above :/.
" you jump you will be dragged down because your speed is much faster than the elevator( because the acceleration of gravity)"
Well I didnt mean dragged down by the elevator. It is just because your speed becomes faster than the elevator so you reach its floor. Maybe dragged wasnt the best word to use but you can say fall down to the floor it is just an expression
 

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