How Does Oxygen Have -2/3 Charge in NO3?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the charge distribution of oxygen atoms in the nitrate ion (NO3-), specifically addressing the concept of fractional charges and the formal charges of nitrogen and oxygen within the ion. Participants explore the implications of resonance forms and the Lewis structure representation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how oxygen can have a -2/3 charge in the nitrate ion, suggesting confusion over the concept of fractional charges.
  • Another participant clarifies that the bonds in NO3 are covalent, indicating that simple ionic calculations may not apply.
  • A participant references a Wikipedia article to support the claim that nitrogen has a formal charge of +5, which aligns with the charge distribution in the ion.
  • Some participants discuss resonance forms, noting that in related structures, such as acetate, oxygen atoms can exhibit fractional charges.
  • There is a suggestion that the confusion may stem from misunderstanding the difference between formal charges and oxidation states, with a participant emphasizing that fractional charges can be a valid representation in certain models.
  • It is proposed that the distribution of electrons among the oxygen atoms can be visualized as a single electron deficiency at the nitrogen atom, with electrons shared among the three oxygen atoms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of charges in the nitrate ion, particularly regarding the concept of fractional charges and the distinction between formal charges and oxidation states. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of using Lewis structures for representing charge distributions and the potential for misunderstanding due to the complexity of covalent bonding and resonance.

Edi
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long story short - how can oxygen have -2/3 charge in NO3 ion?
Does one atom is missing 1/3 of its electron?? I am just missing something here terribly. (?)
 
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NO3 means 1 N atom and 3 O atoms.

Plus the bonds are kinda covalent so simple ionic math does not work.
 
Edi said:
long story short - how can oxygen have -2/3 charge in NO3 ion?
Does one atom is missing 1/3 of its electron?? I am just missing something here terribly. (?)

You are missing something here terribly... well, not really terrible, but it is easy to overlook.

You assume that nitrogen has a formal charge of +3 in this compound but it is really +5. The charge on each oxygen is -2. OK?
 
I am not assuming anything - it actually says exactly that in that wikipedia link, just before your post.

If nitrogen carries +5, then, yes, everything is kinda fine. :)
 
It's also because of resonance forms...

The two oxygens in an acetate ion both have a -\frac{1}{2} charge.
 
chemisttree said:
You are missing something here terribly... well, not really terrible, but it is easy to overlook.

You assume that nitrogen has a formal charge of +3 in this compound but it is really +5. The charge on each oxygen is -2. OK?
I think Edi's confusion is about the "charge" on each atom (figured from Lewis structures) rather than their oxidation states.

Edi said:
I am not assuming anything - it actually says exactly that in that wikipedia link, just before your post.

If nitrogen carries +5, then, yes, everything is kinda fine. :)
Now you're confused! The oxidation state of N is +5 and that of O is -2. But this doesn't mean that roughly 2/3 of an electronic charge is not present on each O atom (at least within the scope of the Lewis model).

It is perfectly okay to have fractional charges on different species. Even in common ionic/covalent compounds, where you are used to assigning integer charges to different species (often 0), a more accurate representation that factors in differences in electronegativities would give rise to fractional charges on each atom, often giving rise to dipole moments. Such fractional charges (if you have not yet been introduced to Quantum Mechanics) can be thought of as the electron spending some fraction of it's time in the vicinity of that specific atom.

In the case of NO3-, you can picture a single electron deficiency at the N atom, and two spare electrons buzzing about, sharing their time equally among the 3 O atoms.
 

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