How Does Rolling Resistance Affect Torque in a Sealpress Mechanism?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the relationship between rolling resistance and torque in a sealpress mechanism, particularly in the context of a rotary system involving a steel roller and a buna (rubber) seal. Participants explore the calculations for rolling resistance and torque, considering factors such as roller radius and width.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents calculations for rolling resistance and torque, concluding that changing the roller radius does not affect the torque, which leads to confusion about the implications.
  • Another participant suggests that while torque may remain constant, a larger roller would require fewer revolutions to cover the same distance, potentially reducing power consumption at a constant sealing speed.
  • A participant inquires about how to incorporate roller width into the torque calculations, expressing a belief that increased width would necessitate more torque.
  • Responses indicate that the same equations apply, but the normal force would increase with a wider roller to achieve the same deformation depth, suggesting the need for elasticity calculations.
  • Further discussion includes the complexity of calculating the relationship between force and deformation due to the non-linear elasticity of rubber, with suggestions for treating the material as a rectangular block and using pressure-stress relationships.
  • There is mention of the potential need for finite element analysis to accurately account for the curved shape and contact area of the roller with the rubber seal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the impact of roller radius and width on torque and the necessary calculations, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the elasticity calculations and the non-linear behavior of rubber, which may affect the accuracy of their models. There are also references to the need for additional data or formulas for more precise analysis.

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hi ,

I am going to design sealpress mechanism for rotary system . I need to find out how much torque required to rotate my steel roller which is connected to end of my cylinder. from wikipedia i find out rolling resistance =


The force of rolling resistance, not adjusted for velocity, can be calculated by[3]:
F = Crr x Nf

where

F is the rolling resistance force (shown in figure 1),
Crr is the dimensionless rolling resistance coefficient or coefficient of rolling friction (CRF), and
Nf is the normal force (equal to W shown in figure 1, not just N shown in figure 1).
The coefficient of rolling friction for a slow rigid wheel, not adjusted for velocity, can be calculated by[1][2]

Crr = Sqr of z/d
where

z is the sinkage depth
d is the diameter of the rigid wheel
The force of rolling resistance can also be calculated by[1]:

F= Nf Xb/r

where

F is the rolling resistance force (shown in figure 1),
r is the wheel radius,
b is the rolling resistance coefficient or coefficient of rolling friction with dimension of length, and
Nf is the normal force (equal to W shown in figure 1, not just N shown in figure 1).

In my case I have steel roller and i am going to press buna(rubber) seal by roller .

So if i assume b = 0.4 inch , r = 1.75 , nf =500 pound

F = Nf x b /r = 500x 0.4 / 1.75 = 114.28 pound
so torque = force x radius = 114.28 x 1.75 = 199.99 inch-lb

If i change the radius of roller r = 2.25

F = Nf x b / r = 500x 0.4 / 2.25 = 88.88 pound

Torque = 88.88 x 2.25 = 199.99 inch -lb

so i got same torque that means radius of roller doesn't effect of torque . i am confused about that so please give me some right direction .

Thanks.
 
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ram18 said:
hi ,
so i got same torque that means radius of roller doesn't effect of torque . i am confused about that so please give me some right direction

Kind of makes sense that it wouldn't affect torque. But don't forget that a larger roller will need fewer revs to cover the same distance, so it'll use less power at the same sealing speed. I assume you have a motor driving the roller's axle and not just pushing it by the cylinder.
 
yes i put motor to roller's axle.
 
hey my roller width is 18 inch so how can i use that in my equation . i think i need more torque becoz of that can anyone help me on that.
 
ram18 said:
hey my roller width is 18 inch so how can i use that in my equation . i think i need more torque becoz of that can anyone help me on that.

The same equations should still give you the torque. But the normal force would be higher with a wider roller to achieve the same deformation depth. You'd have to do an elasticity calculation to work out how much normal force is required.
 
thanks unrest . which elasticity calculation work here ?
 
ram18 said:
thanks unrest . which elasticity calculation work here ?

Yea somewhere you'll have to work out the relationship between force and deformation. It'll be tricky to do it very accurately because of the non-linear elasticity of rubber.

I'd start by treating the material as a rectangular block with about the area of the projected area of the roller. Have it compressed uniformly into a thinner rectangular block. Then you can just use pressure=stress=elastic modulus * strain.

To do it properly and account for the curved shape you'd probably need to do a non-linear (because it's rubber and because you don't know the area in contact with the roller) finite element analysis.

I guess there are probably books of data and approximate formulas for this type of problem tho, because it must be a very common one.
 

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