How Does Simple Harmonic Motion Apply to Physical Pendulums?

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The discussion revolves around the application of simple harmonic motion (SHM) to physical pendulums, specifically focusing on the differential equations governing their motion and the conditions under which they can be approximated as oscillating with SHM.

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  • Participants discuss the moment of inertia and the differential equation for a physical pendulum, questioning how to justify the angular frequency equation for SHM. There is an exploration of the necessary approximations for small angular displacements.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the differential equations involved and the conditions for SHM. Some have expressed confusion regarding the nature of the questions posed, indicating a mix of inquiry and exploration of concepts.

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There appears to be a focus on approximations valid for small angles and the relationship between torque, angular acceleration, and moments of inertia in the context of physical pendulums.

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The physical pendulum is an object suspended from some point a distance d from its center of mass. If its moment of inertia about the center of mass is given by:
I= Icm + Md2
where d is the distance from the pivot to the center of mass of the pendulum.

Consider that some odd-shaped physical pendulum of mass M is suspended from some pivot point and displaced through a given angle θ, then released. If the pendulum has a moment of Intertia I about the pivot, then the differential equation describing its subsequent motion is
Id2θ/dt2 = -Mgdsinθ

a) Use the above info to justify that for a sufficiently small angular displacement, the physical pendulum oscillates with simple harmonic motion with angular frequency
ω = √(mgd/I)

SO: I know that I have to follow the argument for a simple pendulum to justify the solution for the physical pendulum. I think that is involves torque, angular acceleration, and/or moments of inertia. I am not sure how to fully justify the angular frequency equation.
 
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What is the differential equation you know for a simple pendulum?
 
rude man said:
What is the differential equation you know for a simple pendulum?

I'm confused if this is an actual question or one that is supposed to make me think.

The differential equation for the motion of a pendulum is Id2θ/dt2
 
cjavier said:
Id2θ/dt2 = -Mgdsinθ

a) Use the above info to justify that for a sufficiently small angular displacement, the physical pendulum oscillates with simple harmonic motion with angular frequency
ω = √(mgd/I)
The DE above is not SHM. Your first step is to turn it into a DE for SHM by doing an approximation that's valid for small θ. Do you know a suitable approximation?
 
cjavier said:
I'm confused if this is an actual question or one that is supposed to make me think.
The latter.

The differential equation for the motion of a pendulum is Id2θ/dt2

That is not an equation. Where's the rest of it?
 

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