How Does Substitution Impact Integration Limits?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a definite integral with a substitution method, specifically focusing on the impact of changing integration limits when substituting variables. The integral in question involves the expression (36+3x)^(1/2) with limits from 0 to 36.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the use of substitution for integration and discuss the implications of changing limits of integration. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the substitution process and the evaluation of the integral after substitution.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the handling of limits during substitution, and there is an exploration of potential mistakes in the integration process. Multiple interpretations of the substitution method are being examined.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the treatment of constants of integration and the evaluation of limits after substitution. Participants are questioning the correctness of their substitutions and the resulting expressions.

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Homework Statement



evaluate:

higher limit of 36
lower limit of 0 (36+3x)^1/2 dx

Homework Equations



i thought of using subsititution?

The Attempt at a Solution



g(x)=36+3x
g'(x)=3

when x=0, u=36+3(0)=36
when x=36, u=36+3(36)=144

from lower limit of 36 to higher limit of 144

3(u)^1/2 du= 3(2/3)u^3/2 + C

substitute 36+3x back into u, i get: 2(36+3x)^3/2 + C

=[2(36+3(144))^3/2) + C ] - [ 2(36+3(36))^3/2] + C

= 2(468)^3/2 - 3456 + C

is this correct??
 

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Your final answer should just be a number, there should be no constant of integration. When you have -[ 2(36+3(36))^3/2] +C it should really be -[ 2(36+3(36))^3/2 + C] and the constants should cancel out
 
so it would just be: 2(468)^3/2 - 3456 ?
 
Checking it, you made a couple mistakes. First with your substitution. The derivative of [tex]2 (36+3x)^{3/2}[/tex] is [tex]9(36+3x)^{1/2}[/tex], which isn't right. Check your integration by substitution again and be careful with plugging in du for dx.

Also, you turned your answer back into x's, but then plugged in the upper and lower bounds for u.
 
um...i don't get it..i didn't find i wrote 9(36+3x)^1/2..so what should it be?
and for the x=144,x=36, i do substitute those in right?...
 
When you make a substitution to a new variable of integration, you can either a) fix your limits of integration by putting them through the function or b) leave them as "x=whatever" and then when you are done integrating, put back your original variable and evaluate. But not both, which is what you seem to have done here.

Let me see if I can make that clearer. Consider [itex]\intop_1^2 (x^2-2x+1) dx[/itex].
Now you can just evaluate this:
[tex]\frac{x^3}{3}-x^2+x \vert^1_2 = \frac{1}{3}[/tex].

But let's suppose you decide you want to do a substitution:
[itex]u=x-1, du=dx[/itex]
[tex]\intop_1^2 (x^2-2x+1) dx = \intop^?_? u^2 du[/tex].

Now you have two choices, you can move the limits from x to u by plugging into your substitution:
[tex]\intop^1_0 u^2 du = \frac{u^3}{3} \vert^1_0 = \frac{1}{3}[/tex]
or you can write:
[tex]\intop^{x=2}_{x=1} u^2 du = \frac{u^3}{3} \vert^{x=2}_{x=1} = \left[\frac{x^3}{3}-x^2+x-1 \vert^2_1 \right]= \frac{1}{3}[/tex]

Sometimes it's more convenient to move your limits of integration to the new variable and sometimes it's not. But what you did was convert your limits of integration to the new variable u. Then when you were done integrating, you converted the expression to be evaluated back to x, but plugged in the "u" bounds.
 

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