How does sulfur form 6 bonds with fluorine?

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The discussion centers around the bonding of sulfur in sulfur hexafluoride (SF6), specifically how sulfur can form six bonds with fluorine and the implications for its valence electrons. Participants explore the concept of valence shell expansion, the role of d-orbitals, and the nature of atomic orbitals.

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  • Some participants question how sulfur can form six bonds with fluorine, noting that this would imply 12 valence electrons, which seems contradictory to the octet rule.
  • One participant suggests that elements in period 3 and beyond can undergo valence shell expansion, allowing for additional bonding.
  • Others argue that d-electrons do not play a role in the bonding of SF6, with some stating that sulfur's empty 3d orbitals are involved instead.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the concept of empty orbitals, questioning how orbitals can exist without electrons and the distinction between electrons and orbitals.
  • Another participant asserts that the idea of d-orbitals participating in bonding in SF6 has been disproven, referencing previous discussions and providing a link to further reading.

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Participants express differing views on the role of d-orbitals in the bonding of SF6, with some asserting their involvement and others denying it. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact mechanisms by which sulfur forms six bonds.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about orbital hybridization and the definitions of valence electrons. The role of empty orbitals and the implications of the octet rule are also points of contention.

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I was looking at sulfur hexafluoride and noticed that the sulfur forms 6 bonds with fluorine. Wouldn't 2 bonds put it at 8 valence electrons? How does it form so many extra bonds when it only needs 2?

Edit: I should word this as "How does sulfur form 6 bonds with fluorine? Wouldn't that give it 12 valence electrons?"

Thanks.
 
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Elements in period 3 and beyond can undergo a process known as valence shell expansion where the d-orbitals contribute to the valence shell.
 
No, the d-electrons play no role in the bonding of SF_6.
 
D-electrons do not play a role in the bonding of SF6, but sulfur's empty 3d orbitals do.
 
How does an atom have empty orbitals? Empty meaning no electrons in it? How can it have orbitals without electrons? Aren't the electrons themselves orbitals?

And wouldn't 6 bonds put the sulfur at 12 valence electrons? They want to be at 8, right?

Thanks for the replies.
 
leroyjenkens said:
How does an atom have empty orbitals? Empty meaning no electrons in it? How can it have orbitals without electrons? Aren't the electrons themselves orbitals?

And wouldn't 6 bonds put the sulfur at 12 valence electrons? They want to be at 8, right?

Thanks for the replies.

Electrons are not themselves orbitals. In layman's terms, orbitals can be described as the slots which may or may not be occupied by electrons at anyone time. An electron in an atom has a set of quantum states (n,l,ml,s). The values of n and l determine the kind of orbital (s,p,d,f,g...) the electron occupies, ml determines which orbital is occupied and s determines which of the two slots in the orbital is occupied by the electron.

Orbitals may combine to form hybrid orbitals, which are linear combinations of "normal" orbitals. For example, an sp3d2-orbital, which is the type present in SF6, is a linear combination of one s-, three p-, and two d-orbitals.
 
espen180 said:
Orbitals may combine to form hybrid orbitals, which are linear combinations of "normal" orbitals. For example, an sp3d2-orbital, which is the type present in SF6, is a linear combination of one s-, three p-, and two d-orbitals.

This has long been disprooved. d-orbitals do not participate in the bonding in molecules like SF_6.
I discussed this already in another thread https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=405593&highlight=hybridization
(is there a more direct way to cite an older thread?)

For convenience here again the link to a more modern description
:http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S1380-7323(99)80022-3
 
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