How Does Surrealism Transform Our Perception of Reality?

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The discussion revolves around the societal impact of celebrity deaths, particularly focusing on the recent passing of Kobe Bryant and the reactions it elicited compared to other notable figures. Participants explore themes of public mourning, the nature of celebrity, and the perceived value of lives lost in tragic events, touching on emotional responses and societal norms regarding grief.

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  • Some participants express disbelief at the disproportionate attention given to Kobe Bryant's death compared to others, questioning why it should be treated differently.
  • Others argue that the public's familiarity with celebrities like Bryant leads to a more significant emotional response, despite not knowing them personally.
  • A participant reflects on the surreal nature of celebrity culture, citing a quote from Dirk Nowitzki about the oddity of fame.
  • Concerns are raised about the media's focus on Bryant's death over others who also lost their lives in the same incident, suggesting a lack of respect for those individuals.
  • Some participants share personal feelings about celebrity deaths, noting that they may feel more affected by the loss of figures like Richard Feynman than by Bryant.
  • There is a discussion about the societal implications of mourning celebrities versus ordinary individuals, with some participants advocating for equal recognition of all lives lost.

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Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the appropriateness of the public's reaction to celebrity deaths. While some acknowledge the emotional impact of Bryant's passing, others challenge the notion that it should overshadow the deaths of less well-known individuals.

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Participants reference various celebrities and their contributions, indicating a range of personal connections and societal perceptions. The discussion highlights the complexities of public mourning and the differing values placed on lives based on fame and recognition.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring themes of celebrity culture, public mourning, and societal values regarding life and death, particularly in the context of tragic events.

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I watched the last NTSB news conference referenced to be following in post #32. The NTSB at this stage is very cautious and do not speculate at all . Looking forward to their preliminary report next week. However the internet , youtube and the news outlets have tens of reports by pilots speculating on the cause of crash.

Because of the marine layer the helicopter went inland and followed interstate 5 North then transitioned to route 118 in NW direction, then headed in SW direction to get to hwy 101 South of Calabasas as can be seen in lower right corner of the top link/map above. So that is how the helicopter got to positions that can be seen in 2nd and 3rd images in second link/flight path.

The pilot is and has been on VFR visual flight rules and now is approaching a very dense marine layer/fog. This pilot is very familiar with the terrain here and just made this exact flight the previous day in good weather (as shown in the link) So at this point he ascends to over 2000 ft to attempt to get over the marine layer and away from the terrain.( one pilot on youtube said the helicopter pilot at this time knew he was "in trouble"

This is the final phase: the helicopter is hovering/climbing. From the interviews with pilots , with no visibility when a helicopter is hovering there is nothing to indicate whether it could be moving forward,backward or sideways. Again the pilots interviewed said this is where he lost control and for unknown reason turned to the left and backward direction while going down hitting the hillside.
 
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The takeaway as i read this is that after the pilot notified that he was transitioning to area along Hwy 101. Burbank weather reported instrument flight rules (IFR) conditions. The pilot then requested special visible flight rules SVFR to proceed in airspace at less than VFR weather minimal.

So its possible as he was ascending to get above the marine layer along 101 with no visibility the helicopter was not level but ax and ay negative. Then he tried to go forward .
 
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Too much honor. I am a member of PF, but I am not "this community", especially if I express my personal opinion.

Yes and no. Is this a requirement to have an opinion? Yes, because I knew Bryant and why else should I watch a documentary about Nowitzki, and, no, I prefer football. I enjoyed watching Jordan and Pippen though. But this has nothing to do with my opinion, that I find it fundamentally wrong to mourn a celebrity's death and not mention all others.

I accept that my favorite sports channel mentions his death, because it's where it belongs to. It's also o.k. for a short newsline. I do not understand live coverage, breaking news and pretending it was a loss. It certainly is, for his wife and his other children, to whom I really wish all the best in these horrible moments. But the other people had probably a family, too.

Jones was remembered by scenes. Personally, it was a relief for him to die, because he was dement for quite some time. So I would understand video clips of interesting basket ball scenes with Bryant. But I cannot pretend to feel a loss. He retired 2016! And - as mentioned - I did not know him as a person. It is sad that such things happen, but they unfortunately happened to many people today, too. The fact that I know a name doesn't mean anything.
Maybe sone valid points but doesn't seem like the right time and place.
 
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