How Does Taylor's Mechanics Address Rocket Momentum with Changing Mass?

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of rocket momentum in the context of changing mass, specifically referencing Taylor's mechanics. Participants explore the treatment of fuel momentum before and after combustion, examining the implications for momentum calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the absence of a momentum term for the fuel at time t in the momentum equation provided in the textbook excerpt.
  • Another participant argues that before combustion, the fuel's momentum is included in the total momentum as it shares the same velocity as the rocket.
  • A further point is made regarding the velocity of the fuel, suggesting that it is v - vex after combustion, indicating a change in momentum post-burn.
  • Clarification is provided that at time t, the fuel has not yet burned and thus retains the rocket's velocity, while at time t+dt, the fuel has burned and its velocity changes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of fuel momentum before and after combustion, indicating a lack of consensus on the interpretation of the momentum equations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the treatment of fuel momentum and its implications for the overall momentum calculation, particularly in the transition from pre-burn to post-burn states.

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Hello,

I am reading section 3.2, concerning the analyzation of a moving rocket with a changing mass. (I couldn't find a preview of the book in google books, so hopefully someone out there has this textbook.) Here is an except from the book, but be warned that I am adding notes in brackets:

"At time t, the momentum [of the rocket] is P(t) = mv [m and v are the mass and velocity of the rocket at time t]. A short time later at t + dt, the rockets mass is (m + dm), where dm is negative, and its momentum is (m+dm)(v+dv). The fuel ejected in the time dt has mass (-dm) and velocity v - vex [v is the velocity of the rocket as viewed by some stationary person on earth, and vex is rate at which the fuel flows out, relative to the rocket]. Thus, the total momentum (rocket plus the fuel just ejected) at t + dt is
P(t+dt) = (m + dm)(v+dv) - dm(v - vex)."

As one might notice, as I did, they accounted for the momentum of the fuel at time t+dt, which is - dm(v - vex) (there's a negative because the momentum is in the opposite direction); but at time t, they did not, for the expression is P(t) = mv. Where is the momentum term for the fuel at time t?
 
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Bashyboy said:
Where is the momentum term for the fuel at time t?

Before it burns, the fuel has the same velocity as the rocket, so its momentum is part of the P(t) = mv.

You could write
(m+dm)v - (dm)v
if you really want to separate out "the momentum of the fuel of mass -dm that you are going to burn next" and "the momentum of everything else". But of course (m+dm)v - (dm)v = mv.
 
Isn't the velocity of the fuel at any instant v - vex?
 
The fuel has velocity v before it burns, and v - vex after it burns.

At time t, the bit of fuel with mass dm hasn't burned yet. At time t+dt, it has burned.
 

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