How Does Temperature Gradient Affect Refractive Index in Fluid Thermodynamics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between temperature gradients and the refractive index in fluids, exploring theoretical implications, practical applications, and specific phenomena such as mirages. Participants examine various formulas and concepts from fluid thermodynamics and optics.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about formulas that relate refractive index to temperature gradient.
  • Another participant mentions that temperature affects density, which in turn affects the refractive index, providing links to relevant resources.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the Lorentz-Lorenz equation and the concept of molar refractivity, questioning how temperature variations impact refractive index if pressure is assumed constant.
  • Discussion shifts to mirages, with one participant noting that small temperature gradients can cause significant deviations in light paths over long distances.
  • Another participant discusses the visibility of mirages, suggesting that the sharpness of the refractive index gradient and the distance from the image play crucial roles.
  • A participant raises the idea of creating gradient refractive index (GRIN) lenses from fluids and questions the feasibility of achieving a consistent gradient in practice.
  • One response affirms the theoretical possibility of heating a fluid to create a GRIN lens but emphasizes practical challenges such as managing convection and the magnitude of refractive index change.
  • A participant expresses interest in developing a mathematical model to study the effects of fluid thermodynamics on light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the relationship between temperature gradients and refractive index, with some agreeing on theoretical possibilities while others raise practical concerns. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific mathematical models and practical applications.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations related to assumptions about pressure constancy and the effects of convection in fluids when establishing temperature gradients. The discussion also highlights the complexity of mirage phenomena and the conditions necessary for their observation.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying fluid thermodynamics, optics, and the behavior of light in varying media, as well as individuals exploring practical applications of gradient refractive index technologies.

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Does anyone have an idea about a formula relating the refractive index of a medium
to the temperature gradient (Generally)?
 
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There's a few formulas out there- the temperature affects the density, which affects the refractive index:

http://pirika.com/chem/TCPEE/RI/ourRI.htm

http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0022-3727/20/4/019

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1151-2916.1955.tb14581.x?cookieSet=1&journalCode=jace
 
That was enlightening ..

but after reading the Lorentz-Lorenz equation I became more confused due to the factor called "molar refractivity"
and it's equal to the volume occupied by one mole of a substance.
A=RT(n^{2}-1)/3P
Isn't the volume varying due to temperature? ,then the molar refractivity changes with temperature, and the refractive index would be affected only if we considered the ratio between temperature and pressure to remain constant??

I don't know if this is right (because mirage occurs) .
but how can a slight temperature gradient (about 5^{o}C/m) to cause this deviation in the path of light??
 
Well...
I know it takes a long distance for light to be totally reflected..

But in asphalt mirage you can see the reflection of a car on the road .
It doesn't take so long for light ... however it depends more on the sharpness of the gradient refractive index ( and subsequently the temperature gradient).. however the refractive index of air doesn't vary so much .. but it depends also on the distance in which the refractive index changed.

This simply makes a question: What is the minimum distance between you and the image that undergoes mirage.. to observe it's reflection clearly?
(of course DEPENDENT on temperature)
 
OK it seems that my question isn't clear??
one of the uses of gradient refractive index is making lenses (see the article)

so am I wrong if I thought we can make such a lens from a fluid (ex: air)
such that the gradient refractive index is nearly the same?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gradient-index_optics
 
In principle, yes it is possible to make a GRIN lens by heating a fluid.

Is it feasible in practice though? Well that depends on the magnitude of refractive index change you can get at a reasonable temperature (i.e. the dn/dT of the fluid). You would also need to manage the convection that inevitably arises when inducing a thermal gradient in a fluid.

In response to your previous post (post #5), the limitation on viewing mirages is not distance per se, it is viewing angle (which could be phrased as a distance limit for some given viewing height).

Claude.
 
thanx that's what I wanted to know .

I'm now trying to find a mathematical model relating the refractive index to the temperature gradient.
thus study the effect of fluid thermodynamics on light
 

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