Is there a limit to how steep the refractive index gradient can be

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The discussion centers around the limits of steepness in refractive index gradients and their implications for ray optics. Participants explore how these limits relate to wavelength and the conditions under which light may travel perpendicular to the gradient in a straight line.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether there is a limit to how steep a refractive index gradient can be before ray optics fails to predict light paths.
  • There is a suggestion that the refractive index is related to wavelength, with a note that angular dispersion may not occur along a normal path.
  • A participant raises a scenario involving a ray approaching at a grazing angle from a denser material and questions if it can bend perpendicular to the normal regardless of gradient steepness.
  • Another participant interprets the original question as asking if a sufficiently high refractive index could result in an emergent ray that is parallel to the interface.
  • One participant mentions the eikonal approximation as a systematic method to derive ray optics from wave optics, which may help estimate errors due to refractive index changes.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the original question, indicating a lack of consensus on the specific conditions and implications of steep refractive index gradients. Multiple competing views remain regarding the behavior of light in these scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the smoothness of the gradient and the conditions under which ray optics applies, which remain unresolved. The implications of high refractive indices and their effects on light paths are also not fully clarified.

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Is there a limit to how steep a refractive index gradient can be before ray optics are no longer able to predict the path of the light? How is it related to wavelength? Under what conditions the light will be able to travel perpendicular to the gradient
In a straight line? (having diffrent index to the sides of the beam)
 
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Antonij said:
Is there a limit to how steep a refractive index gradient can be before ray optics are no longer able to predict the path of the light? How is it related to wavelength? Under what conditions the light will be able to travel perpendicular to the gradient
In a straight line? (having diffrent index to the sides of the beam)

The refractive index is, of course, related to the wavelength but there would be no angular dispersion along a Normal Path. Perhaps you could describe in more detail what the context is of your question.
 
sophiecentaur said:
The refractive index is, of course, related to the wavelength but there would be no angular dispersion along a Normal Path. Perhaps you could describe in more detail what the context is of your question.
A ray is coming at a grazing angle (above critical angle) from the optically denser material through the gradient. Will the ray be bent perpendicularily from the normal, traveling in straight line perpendicular to the normal no mayter how steep is the gradient?
 
I assume he's asking this:
1] If you have a ray impinging on an interface between two materials, is it possible to have a refractive index so high that the emergent ray is effectively 0 degrees - parallel to the interface?

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[ EDIT ] Nope. The more times I read the OP the less sense it makes - esp. the very last phrase in parentheses.
 

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DaveC426913 said:
I assume he's asking this:
1] If you have a ray impinging on an interface between two materials, is it possible to have a refractive index so high that the emergent ray is effectively 0 degrees - parallel to the interface?

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[ EDIT ] Nope. The more times I read the OP the less sense it makes - esp. the very last phrase in parentheses.
Your picture is accurate to what i was asking about, except there is a smooth transition between high and low index, not an interface. I know that for a sufficiently "slow changing" gradient this is possible. The question is if there's a limit to how "fast changing" gradient can be so that it behaves the same way
 
A systematic way to derive ray optics as a limit of wave optics is the so called eiconal approximation. It also allows to estimate the errors neglected due to the change of the refractive index. The book by Born and Wolf is certainly a good starting point.
 

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