How Does the Biot-Savart Law Apply to a Square Loop in a Plane?

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The problem involves a square loop of wire carrying a steady electric current and seeks to apply the Biot-Savart law to determine the magnetic field at points in the plane of the loop. The original poster attempts to understand how to show that the magnetic field is perpendicular to the plane and to calculate the magnetic field at the center of the loop.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the Biot-Savart law and its implications for the direction of the magnetic field. There are attempts to set up integrals for calculating the magnetic field, with some questioning the approach to line integrals involving vector products. Others express uncertainty about their understanding of the calculations involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the magnetic field being perpendicular to the plane due to the properties of the Biot-Savart law. There is ongoing exploration of how to calculate the magnetic field at the center of the loop, with various interpretations and methods being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention a lack of direct instruction on integrating forms involving vector products, indicating potential gaps in understanding the mathematical techniques required for the problem. There is also a reference to this being an exam question, which adds a layer of urgency to the discussion.

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Homework Statement



A square loop of wire C, with side length 2a lies in a plane P and carries a steady electic current I. By using the Biot-Savart law show that the magnetic field B(r) at any point r in P but not in C is perpendicular to the plane P.

Calculate the magnetic field at the centre of the wire.


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Dotting with a would seem the normal way to do the first bit but I don't think this works so I think it must be to do with the vector product always being 0.

I don't recall ever being taught how to calculate a line integral with a vector product inside it so really not sure where to begin. I expect there is a way to use symmetry to simpliify it.

If my guess is correct then the component of one side of the square (x=a) is going to be (assuming centre is origin):

(u*I/4pi)*(0,0, Integral -a and a of (a/((a^2+(y')^2)^3/2)dy')

I think all 4 sides can be summed to make it 4 times that. I don't really have any idea what I'm doing though so if someone could explain it would be appreciated.
 
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There is nothing to calculate. Since the law says that: [tex]\vec{dB} = C\vec{dl} \times \hat{r}[/tex], where C is a constant that contains all the relevant factors, we can see that dB will always be perpnedicular to both dl and r. In this case they both lie on the plane P, so dB is always normal to P.
 
Thanks a lot, what about calculating the magnetic field at the centre?
 
sebb1e said:
If my guess is correct then the component of one side of the square (x=a) is going to be (assuming centre is origin):

(u*I/4pi)*(0,0, Integral -a and a of (a/((a^2+(y')^2)^3/2)dy')

I think all 4 sides can be summed to make it 4 times that. I don't really have any idea what I'm doing though so if someone could explain it would be appreciated.

Yes, that's exactly how you calculate the field at the center. Why do you suspect it isn't correct?
 
No reason, just never been directly taught how to do an integral of this form, this just seemed the logical thing to do. Frustrating as this was an exam question last week and I didn't bother to try it as assumed I wouldn't be able to :(
 

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