How does the del operator change with incompressibility assumption?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of the del operator in the context of fluid dynamics, particularly under the assumption of incompressibility. Participants explore how the del operator interacts with terms involving density and velocity, specifically in the context of a rearranged equation related to mass fraction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the transformation of the term \(\nabla \cdot \rho_a \mathbf{v}\) into \(\rho (\mathbf{v}\cdot \nabla w_a)\) and seeks clarification on the assumptions that allow this change.
  • Another participant asks for the source of the literature being referenced, indicating a need for context regarding the del operator's application.
  • A later reply mentions that the misunderstanding was resolved by recognizing that the divergence term drops under the assumption of incompressibility, suggesting a specific rule related to the product rule in vector calculus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial confusion regarding the del operator's behavior, but one participant expresses that their misunderstanding has been resolved through discussion of the incompressibility assumption.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the incompressibility assumption and the product rule in vector calculus, but does not resolve all aspects of the transformation of terms involving the del operator.

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I'm trying to understand why the del operator is working a certain way.

So in my literature there is a term:

\nabla \cdot \rho_a \mathbf{v}

but then after saying that

\rho_a=w_a\rho

the term can somehow become

\rho (\mathbf{v}\cdot \nabla w_a)

I do not understand how nabla and the velocity, v, get flipped.. Is there some assumption that needs to be made for this to be true?
 
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What literature is that?
You must know something about nabla and on what operates nabla
 
Elliptic said:
What literature is that?
You must know something about nabla and on what operates nabla
It's literature on fluid dynamics and chemical reactions. The equation I am looking at gives

\frac{\partial \rho_a}{\partial t}+(\nabla \cdot \rho_a \mathbf{v})=0

and then after defining that rho_a=rho*w_a they rearrange the equation to give

\rho \left ( \frac{\partial w_a}{\partial t} + \mathbf{v}\cdot \nabla w_a\right )=0

so rho is a density, t is time, w is a mass fraction, and v is velocity.

I'm just not understanding what rule you follow, if any, to flip \nabla \cdot <br /> \mathbf{v} without it meaning something completely different.

Does this make sense?
 
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Thanks I think my misunderstanding is resolved. They are the same because in the product rule the divergence term drops when incompressibility is assumed. Thank you.
 

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