How Does the Elitzur-Vaidman Bomb Tester Utilize Quantum Mechanics?

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The discussion centers around the Elitzur-Vaidman bomb tester, a quantum mechanics experiment that explores the principles of quantum superposition and measurement. Participants seek a technical understanding of the setup, its quantum mechanical treatment, and implications for potential extensions of the experiment.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the initial setup involving a photon in an entangled state and questions how to treat the bomb as an operator within this context.
  • Another participant suggests that the bomb should be viewed as a classical potential in the Schrödinger equation rather than an operator, indicating it acts as a mirror reflecting the wave function.
  • A participant inquires about the treatment of the second half-silvered mirror and whether it should be considered an operator.
  • Discussion includes the principle that the presence of 'which-path' information affects interference, with a live bomb acting as a photon detector and a dud bomb functioning as a mirror.
  • One participant proposes a more complex setup involving probabilities for selecting a dud bomb and suggests writing out the state space and operators before proceeding.
  • Several references to academic papers are provided as potential resources for further understanding.
  • A participant acknowledges a mix-up between the Elitzur-Vaidman bomb tester and the Penrose machine, indicating a need for clarification in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to conceptualize the bomb within the quantum mechanical framework, with no consensus reached on the appropriate treatment of the bomb or the mirrors involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the technical details and implications of the setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully agreed on the definitions and roles of the components in the experiment, leading to potential misunderstandings. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of quantum mechanics principles as they apply to the bomb tester.

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Hey, I'm trying to understand the Elitzur-Vaidman bomb tester since it is an essentially quantum mechanic effect, but I haven't been able to find a technical quantum mechanical treatment of the subject though I've found plenty of non-technical treatments and a few pseudo-classical treatments.

The way I understand the setup is that we start with a photon prepared in an entangled state between going on the top and bottom arms of the bomb tester. (Let's call this state |T> + |B>) The bottom photon then encounters a bomb that is live or dead. I suppose I could treat this bomb as an operator, either being a projection operator (live bomb, projects onto |T>) or identity operator (dead bomb), but this would operate on the entire state at once, and that doesn't seem quite right. Then I really don't understand what's going on with the half-silvered mirror at the end. It seems to make the top and bottom arms of the bomb tester recombine and interfere, but I can't figure out what that means in terms of operators.

Can someone help me out?
 
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The bomb is not an operator of the kind you suggest. It is better to think of bomb as a specific classical potential V(x) playing a role in the Schrödinger equation. More precisely, the bomb is nothing but a mirror that reflects the wave function.
 
Ok, then what about 2nd half silvered mirror? Should I treat the mirror as an operator?

I want to know the proper quantum mechanical treatment of this setup because I want to design an extension to it that I think should be possible where the bottom arm, instead of testing one bomb, tests and reports information about a set of boolean values.
 
Just so we know we're talking about the same thing ...
The bomb-tester works on the principle that if there is any chance of getting 'which-path' information, the interference at the last mirror is destroyed. A live bomb acts like a photon-detector, but a dud bomb is just a mirror. However if the bomb is live, there's a probability of 1/2 that the photon will not trigger a live bomb, but there will be no interference, telling us the bomb is live. Of course, half of the live bombs will explode, making this a rather expensive practice.

There are two set-ups here, one with a live bomb and one with a dud. You can't combine the two unless you have a probability for selecting a dud. In that case you'd have 3 possible outcomes. The state space would be a sort of tensor product of the two-state vector a|dud>+b|live> and c|boom> + d|T>. Shouldn't you write the state space out first then the operators ?
 
These papers may be helpful:

"[URL Photon quantum mechanics and beam splitters
C. H. Holbrow,a) E. Galvez, and M. E. Parks[/URL]

"[URL Interaction-Free Measurements
Lev Vaidman[/URL]

http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/1464-4266/3/3/311

http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/1355-5111/7/2/005
 
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Thank you, Edgardo.

What I've described is the Penrose machine, not the EV bomb-tester. Whoops.
 

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