How Does the Ellipse Equation Relate to the Pythagorean Theorem?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the equation of an ellipse and the Pythagorean Theorem, particularly focusing on the formula c² = a² - b². Participants explore the geometric definitions of conic sections, specifically ellipses, and how these relate to the properties of distances in the context of the Pythagorean Theorem.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the formula c² = a² - b², noting its similarity to the Pythagorean Theorem and requests a graphical explanation.
  • Another participant suggests deriving Cartesian equations from geometric definitions, mentioning that the Pythagorean equation is necessary for understanding circles and ellipses.
  • A third participant explains the defining property of an ellipse, detailing how the distances from the foci to points on the ellipse relate to the Pythagorean Theorem, leading to the equation c² + b² = a².
  • This same participant provides a geometric argument involving right triangles to illustrate how the distances relate to the ellipse's properties.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the explanation of the formula, as the discussion includes varying levels of understanding and different approaches to the topic. Some participants provide explanations while others seek clarification.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of conic sections and the relationships between distances, which may not be universally agreed upon or fully resolved.

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In class today, my instructor went over conic sections and ellipses (and hyperbolas, although that's irrelevant). We pretty much learned the basics - foci, semi-major and semi-minor axes, etc.

However, the equation c²= a² − b² where c is the distance from the focus to vertex and b is the distance from the vertex a co-vetex on the minor axis sort of confused me. It sounds a lot like the Pythagorean Theorem. Could someone please explain why this formula is true (graphically)?
 
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You'll have a greater handle on conic sections by deriving the Cartesian coordinate equations yourself from their geometric definitions. If you're feeling adventurous, you can try the intersection of a plane with two cones. Otherwise, try these:
1) A circle is the set of all points equidistant from a single point. Suppose this point is given the Cartesian coordinate (h, k). If (x, y) is a point on the circle, what equation must x, y, h, and k satisfy? Note that since the circle is defined by distance, the definition of Euclidean distance, the Pythagorean equation, will be necessary.
2) An ellipse is the set of all points (x, y) such that the sum of the distances from two particular points (called focii) in the plane is a constant L. This is like attaching two thumbtacks to a sheet of paper and attaching a string of length L between them, then using a pencil to draw the shape that always keeps the string taut.
3) A parabola is the set of all points in the plane equidistant from a particular point, called the focus, and a line, called the directrix (the distance between a point and a line is taken as the minimum distance). You can also try to get it as the shape from which all lines perpendicular to the directrix are reflected by the curve out through the focus.
You will find all of these curves and the hyperbola recurring many times in physical phenomena, so their properties should be second nature.
 
An ellipse has the "defining" property that there are two points, the foci, such that the total distance from one focus to any point on the ellipse to the other focus is a constant.

Suppose the foci are at (-c, 0) and (c, 0) and the ellipse crosses the x-axis at (a, 0). Going from (-c, 0) to (a, 0) is a distance of (a+ c): from the focus to the origin is c and from the origin to the ellipse is a. Now back to the focus is a distance of a- c: we only go back to (c, 0), not to the orgin or (-c, 0). The (constant) total distance is (a+c)+ (a- c)= 2a.

Now suppose the ellipse crosses the y-axis at (0, b). The total distance from (-c,0) to (0,b ) to (c,0) is the sum of two hypotenuses or right triangles: the first with vertices (-c,0), (0,0) and (0,b), the other with vertices (c, 0), (0, 0), and (0,b).

That's where the Pythagorean theorem comes in! The distance from (-c,0) to (0, b) is \sqrt{c^2+ b^2} and the distance from (0, b) to (c, 0) is the same. Since that total distance is a constant, we have \sqrt{c^2+ b^2}= a or, after squaring, c^2+ b^2= a^2 and c^2= b^2- a^2.
 
Thanks!
 

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