Logarythmic Messages 277 Reaction score 0 Feb 1, 2007 #31 I'll work on this, though I've been studying for 12 hours now. ;) If that's all I need to know then thanks for your help.
I'll work on this, though I've been studying for 12 hours now. ;) If that's all I need to know then thanks for your help.
Dick Science Advisor Homework Helper Messages 26,254 Reaction score 623 Feb 1, 2007 #32 Take a break and good luck with the rest.
Logarythmic Messages 277 Reaction score 0 Feb 1, 2007 #33 I think I will need some help with the rest aswell. ;) No MatLab installed here...
Logarythmic Messages 277 Reaction score 0 Feb 1, 2007 #34 Unless I can use [tex]p_1p_2+p_2p_3+p_3p_1=0[/tex] aswell?
Dick Science Advisor Homework Helper Messages 26,254 Reaction score 623 Feb 1, 2007 #35 Sure you can. It's a consequence of the other two relations between the p's.
Logarythmic Messages 277 Reaction score 0 Feb 1, 2007 #36 I get [tex]p_1 = -\frac{p_3}{2} \pm \frac{1}{2} \sqrt{-3p_3^2+2p_3+1} + \frac{1}{2}[/tex] and [tex]p_2 = \frac{1}{2} \left(-p_3 \pm \sqrt{-3p_3^2+3p_3+1} + 1 \right)[/tex] but what does this tell me? They cannot have the same sign but then what?
I get [tex]p_1 = -\frac{p_3}{2} \pm \frac{1}{2} \sqrt{-3p_3^2+2p_3+1} + \frac{1}{2}[/tex] and [tex]p_2 = \frac{1}{2} \left(-p_3 \pm \sqrt{-3p_3^2+3p_3+1} + 1 \right)[/tex] but what does this tell me? They cannot have the same sign but then what?
Dick Science Advisor Homework Helper Messages 26,254 Reaction score 623 Feb 1, 2007 #37 Logarythmic said: Unless I can use [tex]p_1p_2+p_2p_3+p_3p_1=0[/tex] aswell? You are working way too hard. What does this say about the possibility that all of the p's are positive or all are negative?
Logarythmic said: Unless I can use [tex]p_1p_2+p_2p_3+p_3p_1=0[/tex] aswell? You are working way too hard. What does this say about the possibility that all of the p's are positive or all are negative?
Logarythmic Messages 277 Reaction score 0 Feb 1, 2007 #38 They cannot all be positive nor negative, but one positive and two negative or two positive and one negative. Is that right?
They cannot all be positive nor negative, but one positive and two negative or two positive and one negative. Is that right?
Dick Science Advisor Homework Helper Messages 26,254 Reaction score 623 Feb 1, 2007 #39 Almost. Except you can't have two negative p's either. [tex]p_1+p_2+p_3=1[/tex]. What would this tell you about p3 if p1 and p2 are negative?
Almost. Except you can't have two negative p's either. [tex]p_1+p_2+p_3=1[/tex]. What would this tell you about p3 if p1 and p2 are negative?
Dick Science Advisor Homework Helper Messages 26,254 Reaction score 623 Feb 1, 2007 #41 You're catching on. But the sum of the squares should be one too!
Logarythmic Messages 277 Reaction score 0 Feb 1, 2007 #42 There we are. So it's either [1,0,0] or [+,+,-] and the behavior is strange. ;)
Dick Science Advisor Homework Helper Messages 26,254 Reaction score 623 Feb 1, 2007 #43 Yes. If you want to see an attempt to use this strange behavior look up Mixmaster cosmologies sometime.
Yes. If you want to see an attempt to use this strange behavior look up Mixmaster cosmologies sometime.
Logarythmic Messages 277 Reaction score 0 Feb 1, 2007 #44 Can you briefly tell me something about it?
Dick Science Advisor Homework Helper Messages 26,254 Reaction score 623 Feb 1, 2007 #45 Sorry, better get to work here. Besides, other people tell the story better than I.
Logarythmic Messages 277 Reaction score 0 Feb 1, 2007 #46 I'll look it up tomorrow, now I need some sleep. Thanks for all your help.