How Does the Volume Form on the Unit Sphere Relate to Its Position Vector?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the volume form on the unit sphere ##S^{n}## in ##\mathbb{R}^{n+1}## and its position vector. Participants explore the mathematical properties of the volume form, the role of the interior product, and the implications of using the radial vector field.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that the volume form in ##\mathbb{R}^{n+1}## can be transformed into the volume form on the unit sphere by taking the interior product with the position vector ##\mathbf{r}##.
  • Others argue that the radial vector field must be of unit length for the transformation to hold, emphasizing the orthonormal properties of tangent vectors and dual forms at points on the sphere.
  • A participant questions the simplification of the volume form to the expression ##\sum (-1)^{i-1}x^{i}dx^{1}\wedge\dots \widehat{dx^{i}} \dots \wedge dx^{n+1}## and expresses confusion about the representation of the position vector.
  • Another participant clarifies that the position vector should be interpreted as the radial vector field of unit length, countering a misunderstanding about the components of the vector.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of the radial vector field being of unit length for the volume form transformation, but there remains some disagreement regarding the specific representation and simplification of the volume form and the position vector.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings about the nature of the position vector and the assumptions regarding the properties of the volume form in different dimensions.

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The volume form on the unit sphere ##S^{n}## in ##\mathbb{R}^{n+1}## is given by

$$i_{{\bf r}}\ dx^{1}\wedge \dots \wedge dx^{n+1}=\sum (-1)^{i-1}x^{i}dx^{1}\wedge\dots \widehat{dx^{i}} \dots \wedge dx^{n+1}.$$

Why must the volume form ##dx^{1}\wedge \dots \wedge dx^{n+1}## act on the vector ##{\bf r}## to give the volume form on the unit sphere?

Also, how do I get the form of the volume form on the right-hand side of the equation?
 
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failexam said:
The volume form on the unit sphere ##S^{n}## in ##\mathbb{R}^{n+1}## is given by

$$i_{{\bf r}}\ dx^{1}\wedge \dots \wedge dx^{n+1}=\sum (-1)^{i-1}x^{i}dx^{1}\wedge\dots \widehat{dx^{i}} \dots \wedge dx^{n+1}.$$

Why must the volume form ##dx^{1}\wedge \dots \wedge dx^{n+1}## act on the vector ##{\bf r}## to give the volume form on the unit sphere?
What you have is the volume form in n+1 dimensions. Taking the interior product with the position vector gives you an appropriate n-form that has exactly the properties that you are looking for when you do the pullback to the n-sphere.

failexam said:
Also, how do I get the form of the volume form on the right-hand side of the equation?

Do you mean how you get the left-hand side on that form? Have you tried simply applying the definition of the interior product?
 
"Why must the volume form dx1∧⋯∧dxn+1 act on the vector r to give the volume form on the unit sphere?"

This works as long as by r you mean the radial vector field of unit length.

Here's one reason for this: Suppose near some point p of the unit sphere Sn in Rn+1 you have tangent vectors

∂/∂y1, . . ., ∂/∂yn

that are orthonormal at p. Then the dual 1-forms

dy1, . . ., dyn

automatically have the property that their wedge product

dy1∧ . . . ∧dyn

is the volume form of Sn.

This work for any Riemannian manifold, not just Sn. Because the unit radial vector r together with the vectors ∂/∂y1, . . ., ∂/∂yn form an orthonormal basis for Rn+1 at the point p, the wedge product of their dual 1-forms is the volume form of Rn+1. That is,

dx1∧⋯∧dxn+1 = dr∧dy1∧ . . . ∧dyn

where the meaning of dr should be clear. This implies what you asked about almost immediately. It would be good to try some simple cases in low dimensions to see this is a general principle.
 
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zinq said:
This works as long as by r you mean the radial vector field of unit length.
The position vector always has unit length on the unit sphere.
 
Good point!
 
Orodruin said:
What you have is the volume form in n+1 dimensions. Taking the interior product with the position vector gives you an appropriate n-form that has exactly the properties that you are looking for when you do the pullback to the n-sphere.

Ok, so, to get the volume form on the unit sphere ##S^{n}##, you take the interior product of the volume form in ##\mathbb{R}^{n+1}## with ##\bf r##.

But, how you do simplify it to the expression ##\sum (-1)^{i-1}x^{i}dx^{1}\wedge\dots \widehat{dx^{i}} \dots \wedge dx^{n+1}##?

In particular, I don't understand why ##\displaystyle{{\bf r} = \sum_{i=1}^{n+1} x^{i} \frac{\partial}{\partial x^{i}}}##.

My hunch is that ##\displaystyle{{\bf r} = \sum_{i=1}^{n+1} \frac{\partial}{\partial x^{i}}}## since ##\bf r## is a unit vector and must have components which are unity. But, I don't see why my hunch is wrong.
 
The vector you quote is neither radial nor has norm one. A unit vector has norm one, not all components equal to one.
 
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Thank you! This was helpful.
 

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