How does theoretical physics advance?

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The discussion revolves around the advancement of theoretical physics, particularly in relation to historical figures like Einstein and the collaborative nature of theory and experimentation. Participants explore the challenges faced by physicists in developing theories, the role of mathematical derivations, and the evolution of tools used in scientific calculations.

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  • One participant questions the obstacles Einstein faced while working on the grand unified theory, wondering if he was seeking patterns or struggling with mathematical problems.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of collaboration between theoreticians and experimentalists, providing an example of how theories are tested and refined through this interaction.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about the derivation of E = mc² and the evolution of mathematical tools used by physicists, referencing historical methods like slide rules.
  • There is a mention that E = mc² may not be the most logical starting point in special relativity, suggesting it is more of a destination in understanding the theory.
  • Participants share resources, including videos and lectures, that explain the derivation of Einstein's equations, indicating a wealth of accessible information on the topic.

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Participants express curiosity and share insights about the collaborative nature of theoretical physics and the tools used, but there is no consensus on specific challenges faced by Einstein or the best starting points for understanding special relativity.

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Some discussions hinge on historical context and personal anecdotes, which may not fully capture the complexities of theoretical advancements or the mathematical rigor involved.

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Individuals interested in the history of physics, the interplay between theory and experimentation, and those seeking resources for understanding fundamental physics concepts may find this discussion beneficial.

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I've read about scientists such as Einstein who have advanced the field of physics. When Einstein was working on solving the grand unified theory, what were the obstacles? Was he trying to find patterns that could reveal something? Or did he have sufficient data, but solving certain math problems was a challenge?

I'm very curious. Thanks for any replies.
 
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Hi, and Welcome. I can't speak for any particular scientist. One of the best things to happen in working stuff into a viable theory is when theoreticians and observational scientists work back-and-forth with each other. ie: Sheldon postulates a new particle; Leonard whips a cyclotron out of his wallet and finds a living example of one, but the charge is off by a tad; Sheldon then alters his calculations to explain that; they retest...
Some of Einstein's ideas such as relativistic time dilation weren't physically provable until the space age.
 
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That must be nice to have people test your theory. I just can't imagine how they create such equations or where they even begin. Actually it just occurred to me that it would be interesting to see how E = m c^2 is derived. Has math software reached the level of being able to help theoretical physicist? My uncle used to tell me during his early days as a scientist how they would use these wooden gadgets to solve math equations. In don't recall exactly what it was. Perhaps one of those gadgets where they slide pegs around? It's been a long time since I went to school, but the calculator was a common acceptable tool.
 
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My uncle used to tell me during his early days as a scientist how they would use these wooden gadgets to solve math equations.
That would probably be a slide-rule (slip-stick in common usage). It's what I had to use in high-school. There's one little bugger running around here who collects them and loves them more than women (except for his lovely wife, of course). In fact, his avatar is a picture of one.
It's a pretty good bet that some lab rat or another somewhere will physically test every hypothesis that is made public, even if there is no contact with the theoretician. It's a kind of natural symbiotic relationship, like pilot-fish and sharks or directors and actors.
 
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Ponderer said:
Actually it just occurred to me that it would be interesting to see how E = m c^2 is derived.
##E=mc^2## may not be the most logical starting point in the logical progression of special relativity... it's more of a destination. However, Google will find you some nice derivations and SR doesn't have to require a lot of math; there are quite good presentations that use nothing more than high school algebra.
 
Thanks for the advice. Google took me to youtube where there are a lot of amazing videos that describe how to derive Einstein's equations. It's like being at the candy store.
 

Feynman starts addressing your question at about 16 - 17 minutes in and continues with it the rest of the lecture.
 
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