How Does Thermal Equilibrium Affect Ideal Gases in a Partitioned System?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of two ideal gases in a partitioned system that are in thermal contact. The original poster presents a problem involving the calculation of final temperature and changes in energy for the gases, as well as changes in specific thermodynamic quantities H and A.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of final temperature and the total change in energy. There are attempts to clarify the meaning of parts b and c of the problem, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the integration required for those parts. The original poster shares their approach to finding the final temperature and the changes in energy, while others seek confirmation on their reasoning.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their attempts and seeking clarification on specific aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration needed for changes in quantities H and A, but there is no explicit consensus on the interpretations or methods being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of thermodynamic equations and the implications of the partition in the system. There is a focus on understanding the relationships between the variables involved, particularly in the context of ideal gases and thermal equilibrium.

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Homework Statement


Two ideal gases are separated by a partition which does not allow molecules to pass from one volume to the other. Gas 1 has: N1, V1, T1, Cv1 for the number of molecules, volume it occupies, temperature in kelvin, and specific heat per molecule at constant volume respectively. Gas 2 has: N2, V2, T2, Cv2. The two gases are in thermal contact and reach a final temperature

a) find the final temperature and the total change in energy of the combined system. Check your answer for the final temperature when N1=N2, V1=V2. Cv1=Cv2

b)Evaluate the total change ina quantity H whose differential change is dH=dU+Vdp for each component and for the entire system

c)evaluate the total change in a quantity A whose differential change is dA=(dU+pdV)/T for each component and for the entire system

Homework Equations



U=NVCvdT

The Attempt at a Solution



I already solved for the final temperature for part a, and when evaluated at equal N and V i got Tf=(T2+T1)/2
 
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And what is your question?
 
i have no idea what is meant by parts b and c

i understand that U=NCvdT

so N1Cv1(Tf-T1)=-N2Cv2(Tf-T2)

and i think i understand how to solve for the total change in energy
 
oxman said:
i understand that U=NCvdT
That would be dU.

oxman said:
and i think i understand how to solve for the total change in energy
Please tell.

To get dH and dA, you'll have to integrate the equations from the initial conditions to the final conditions.
 
solving for Tf i get, Tf= ((N1Cv1T1+N2Cv2T2)/(N1Cv1+N2Cv2))

from there i solved for dU1 and dU2 where dU1=N1Cv1(Tf-T1) dU2=N2Cv2(Tf-T2)

i then added them together to get total change in energy

for dA i solved for dA1 and dA2 integrated them and then added them together

essentially for A i got


A=c1ln(Tf/T1) + c2ln(Tf/T2) where c1=N1Cv1 c2=N2Cv2

pdV goes to 0 because there is no change in any of the volumes

correct?
 

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