How Does Young's Modulus Relate to Spring Constants in Motion Equations?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a particle connected to two elastic springs on a horizontal table, with the goal of deriving the equation of motion using concepts related to Young's modulus and spring constants. The context includes the relationship between the natural lengths of the springs, their modulus of elasticity, and the distance between two fixed points.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to relate Hooke's Law to Young's modulus and question how to incorporate the area in the equations. There is uncertainty about the interpretation of the modulus and its application in the context of springs. Some participants suggest that the initial state of the springs must be considered, while others question the definitions of λ and its dimensions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and raising questions about the definitions and relationships between the variables involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the initial conditions of the springs, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to derive the equation of motion.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the definition of λ, as it appears to represent different concepts in the equations provided. Additionally, the problem's setup implies that the springs are initially stretched, which may influence the analysis.

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Homework Statement


A particle mass m moves in a straight line on a smooth horizontal table, and is connected to two points A and B by light elastic springs of natural lengths 2l_{o} and 3l_{o}, respectively, and modulus of elasticity λ. The points A and B are a distance 6l_{o} apart. Show that the equation of motion can be written as m \ddot{x} = \frac{\lambda}{6l_{o}}(12l_{o}-5x)
where x is the displacement of the particle from A measures positive towards B

Homework Equations


F = kx
\lambda = \frac{x}{l_{o}}
\frac{F}{A} = \lambda \frac{x}{l_{o}}

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not sure what to do here. I understand what the question is asking but I'm not sure how to go about it. It's asking for the equation of motion so does that mean I have to relate Hooke's Law with Young's modulus? The problem I'm having is that the equation that I was trying to solve the problem with has area in it. But we are talking about springs. So that's what makes me think I need to find a relationship between spring constant and modulus equation. The (12l_{o}-5x) part, is that from F= k(x - x_{o})

I've tried to relate hooke's law using this formula I read online k = \frac{\lambda A}{l}

if you could point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful.
 
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A picture would be helpful. If I understand the problem, points A and B are 6L apart. Spring "A" = 2L and spring "B" = 3L, so before the problem even begins, the springs must be in an initially stretched state 2L + 3L + Xo = 6L correct? or X (initial combined stretch of the springs = L)?
 
Looking at the thing to be proved, λ has the dimension of force. So it is not what is properly called modulus of elasticity. Rather, it is the modulus multiplied by the cross sectional area.
 
The "relevant equations" seem to imply Lambda is 2 different things? The second equation implies lambda is some form of strain, the 3rd equation implies lambda is the modulus of elasticity (Young's Modulus). The solution equation implies the motion is undamped free vibration --> no velocity or damping terms are included.
 

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