How energy of light is conserved when passing through medium

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conservation of energy as light passes through different media, particularly focusing on the changes in velocity and energy characteristics of light in various refractive indices. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding the behavior of light in mediums like glass.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the velocity of light decreases when passing through a medium, raising a question about how this does not violate conservation of energy.
  • Another participant claims that the energy of light in a vacuum depends on its wavelength, suggesting that light loses energy through absorption and wavelength dilation when exiting the medium.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the complexities of light behavior in mediums, mentioning that light may become quasi-particles while traveling through a medium, though they are unsure of the details.
  • Another participant clarifies that the quasi-particles are called polaritons, which are a mixture of photons and polarization quanta, and explains that the energy of these polaritons remains constant as they enter and exit the medium.
  • It is mentioned that the frequency of the light does not change when entering or leaving the medium, although the dispersion relation does affect the wavelength.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of energy conservation and the behavior of light in mediums. There is no consensus on the explanations provided, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the complexities involved.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific definitions of energy and wavelength, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the nature of light as it interacts with different media.

Gevorg
Messages
7
Reaction score
0
The velocity of light changes when it passes through a medium of a different refractive index. So let's suppose the light is traveling through a vacuum at a velocity c and then passes through a glass wall. Its velocity decreases while traveling through it but then speeds back up to c after passing through it. How does this not violate conservation of energy?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Energy , in light in vacuum, only depends on inverse wavelength (color of light), not in velocity. A light beam loss energy through the medium by absorption and by wavelength dilation when it goes out of the medium.
 
What's going on as light goes through a medium is very complicated. It's way beyond my expertise except in a general way.

What happens broadly is light actually becomes quasi particles (phonons I think - but don't hold me to it) while traveling through a medium then get converted back when exiting. The picture you find in beginning texts, or thinking intuitively about it ie it get's absorbed by atoms that go to a higher energy state then spontaneously emit and travel through that way and hence are slowed down is evidently wrong - and there is a simple reason it must be wrong but I can't recall it.

ZapperZ has written extensively on this eg
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/light-and-mediums.27359/

He, or someone with a similar level of knowledge of such things, is the right person to answer this question.

Thanks
Bill
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Iliody
bhobba said:
What happens broadly is light actually becomes quasi particles (phonons I think - but don't hold me to it) while traveling through a medium then get converted back when exiting.
It's polariton, which is a mixture of photon and polarization quanta. For a given wavelength polaritons have two modes of oscillation, where typically one mode is more like photon and the other is more like phonon.

It's indeed a bit complicated, but there is a simplified answer to the OP's question. The energy of the "photon" (where the quotes denote that it is really the photon-like polariton in the medium) is
$$E=\hbar\omega$$
and the frequency ##\omega## does not change by entering or leaving the medium. The dispersion relation ##\omega(k)## depends on the medium, which means that ##k## (and hence the wavelength) depends on the medium while ##\omega## itself does not depend on the medium.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: bhobba

Similar threads

  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
2K
Replies
15
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 74 ·
3
Replies
74
Views
5K