How Far Does a Muon Travel Before Decaying?

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The discussion revolves around a problem in particle physics involving the decay of a muon produced from a pi+ meson. The original poster presents a scenario where a pi+ meson with a specific energy decays into a muon and a muon-neutrino, and the task is to calculate the distance the muon travels before decaying in the laboratory frame.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of time dilation and Lorentz transformations to find the mean lifetime and distance traveled by the muon. There are attempts to clarify the use of the Lorentz factor (gamma) in different frames and the implications of relativistic equations.

Discussion Status

Several participants have shared their calculations and reasoning, with some expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches. There is an ongoing exploration of the factors involved, including the need to account for the speed of light and the distinction between different gamma factors in various frames. Some participants have acknowledged mistakes and are refining their calculations based on feedback.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the problem due to the involvement of multiple reference frames and the relativistic effects that must be considered. There is mention of specific values for mass and energy, as well as the need to clarify the relationships between quantities in different frames.

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Homework Statement



A pi+, produced by a cosmic ray, has an energy of 280MeV in the laboratory frame S. It undergoes a decay: pi+ ---> muon+ & muon-neutrino. The muon produced continues to travel along the same direction as the pi+ and has a mean lifetime of 2.2mirco seconds in the muon's rest frame (S''). Calculate the expected distance it would have traveled in the laboratory frame S before decaying.

Homework Equations



In the rest frame of the pion (S'):
E^{'}_{\mu}=\frac{(m^{2}_{\pi}+m^{2}_{\mu})c^{2}}{2m_{\pi}}
P^{'}_{\mu}=\frac{(m^{2}_{\pi}-m^{2}_{\mu})c}{2m_{\pi}}
and other relativistic relations and Lorentz Transforms

m_{\pi}=139.6\frac{MeV}{c^{2}}, m_{\mu}=105.7\frac{MeV}{c^{2}}

The Attempt at a Solution



I have attempted the problem, I don't know if i am correct.
The obvious thing to do is find the mean lifetime in the frame S' and the distance in S' in order to solve the equation:
x_{\mu}=\gamma(x^{'}_{\mu}+vt^{'}_{\mu})

To find t' I have used the fact that time dilates in moving frames therefore t' = gamma x t'' (2.2 mircoseconds)
I then used the relativistic momentum equation to find the velocity of muon in the pion rest frame S': v' = 0.28177/gamma
Then i used LT to find the distance traveled in the pion frame = gamma x v x t'' = 0.28177 x t''.
Then I used the energy of the pion in the lab frame to find the velocity of the pion in the lab frame using the relativistic energy equation and the momentum equation to give = 1.739/gamma.
Subbing these into the above equation I got the expected distance = gamma x 4.45x10^-6 metres.
Is this correct? Is the gamma supposed to be there?
 
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ian2012 said:
I have attempted the problem, I don't know if i am correct.
The obvious thing to do is find the mean lifetime in the frame S' and the distance in S' in order to solve the equation:
x_{\mu}=\gamma(x^{'}_{\mu}+vt^{'}_{\mu})

To find t', I have used the fact that time dilates in moving frames; therefore, t' = gamma x t'' (2.2 microseconds). I then used the relativistic momentum equation to find the velocity of muon in the pion rest frame S': v' = 0.28177/gamma. Then i used LT to find the distance traveled in the pion frame = gamma x v x t'' = 0.28177 x t''.
Looks okay so far.

Then I used the energy of the pion in the lab frame to find the velocity of the pion in the lab frame using the relativistic energy equation and the momentum equation to give = 1.739/gamma.
So just to be clear: this gamma is for the pion moving relative to S, not the gamma above.

Subbing these into the above equation I got the expected distance = gamma x 4.45x10^-6 metres.
Is this correct? Is the gamma supposed to be there?
I don't follow what you did here. Could you provide more detail, like exactly what quantities you plugged into what equations?

The answer isn't right. You left out a factor of c, for one thing. Even after multiplying your answer by c, it's still off. You should get 1565 meters.
 
Sorry, but I have been away for a while. Looking back at this question, I've realized what mistakes I've made:
1. I didn't realize gamma can be calculated using Energy and Mass (very trivial).
2. I didn't realize there are two different gamma's, since there are three different frames.
3. I also missed out the speed of light in the final answer, as you pointed out.

The final answer I get is: 1551 metres with minimal rounding of answers. (x' = 179m, v[lab/pion] = 0.867c, t' = 2.29 microseconds). This is a little bit off your 1565 metres.
 
You miscalculated x'. It should be 186 m.
 
Oh right yeah of course. I divided by an extra gamma term. Yeah i get x' = 186m and x = 1.56km with rounding. Thanks vela
 

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