How Far Will a Block Slide Up an Incline Before Stopping?

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The problem involves a block sliding on an inclined plane, initially moving down at a constant velocity and then projected upward with a specified initial speed. The goal is to determine how far the block travels up the incline before stopping, considering the effects of friction and gravitational forces.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of mechanical energy and forces to analyze the problem. There are attempts to identify the frictional force and its relation to the gravitational force components along the incline. Questions arise about the correct application of these concepts and the calculations involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different methods to approach the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between forces and energy, but there is no clear consensus on the correct path forward. Participants are still working through the calculations and concepts.

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There is some uncertainty regarding the application of mechanical energy principles and the correct identification of forces acting on the block. Participants are also navigating through potential misunderstandings about the components of gravitational force along the incline.

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Homework Statement



A block with mass m = 23.4 kg slides down an inclined plane of slope angle 31.1 o with a constant velocity. It is then projected up the same plane with an initial speed 1.50 m/s. How far up the incline will the block move before coming to rest?



Homework Equations


KE=1/2mv^2
W=F*displacement*cos(theta)


The Attempt at a Solution


I don't really know how to even start this problem. Can someone walk me through it?
 
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Use the coming downward part to find out the frictional force. There are different ways of doing this...

one ways is: work by friction = change in mechanical energy.

once you know the frictional force, you can do the next part.
 
I haven't ever done anything with mechanical energy. How do you figure that out?
 
bulldog23 said:
I haven't ever done anything with mechanical energy. How do you figure that out?

hmmm... actually I was wrong... that's probably not the best way to do the first part... probably best to just use forces...

The net force acting on the block as it slides downwards is 0 (since acceleration is constant). Can you use this to figure out the frictional force?
 
so then frictional force must be equal but opposite to mg??
 
bulldog23 said:
so then frictional force must be equal to mg??

not mg... what is the component of mg along the plane?
 
I'm not quite sure. Is it just g?
 
bulldog23 said:
I'm not quite sure. Is it just g?

no... mg divides into two components... one perpendicular to the plane... one parallel to the plane.

use the angle 31 degrees.
 
m*cos(theta)
 
  • #10
bulldog23 said:
m*cos(theta)

no. what you need is mgsin(theta).
 
  • #11
alright, my bad I meant to put mgcos(theta), but I see why it's mgsin(theta). So then I figure that out and divide by 1.5 m/s?
 
  • #12
bulldog23 said:
alright, my bad I meant to put mgcos(theta), but I see why it's mgsin(theta). So then I figure that out and divide by 1.5 m/s?

well... mgsin(theta) is the frictional force... the magnitude doesn't change when going up or down... but the direction is different...

So when the object is going up, what is the net force acting on it along the plane?

Take the net force... divide by m... that's the acceleration.
 
  • #13
when going up would it be -mgsin(theta)?
 
  • #14
bulldog23 said:
when going up would it be -mgsin(theta)?

yes, that's the frictional force... but you've also got -mgsin(theta) due to gravity... so it's a total of -2mgsin(theta).
 
  • #15
so when I plug the numbers in I get -6.74 m. Is this right?
 
  • #16
bulldog23 said:
so when I plug the numbers in I get -6.74 m. Is this right?

I don't think so. How did you get that?
 
  • #17
-2mgsin(theta)/m
 
  • #18
bulldog23 said:
-2mgsin(theta)/m

so that's -2gsin(theta). I get -10.12m/s^2
 
  • #19
oh ok. So then I divide by the initial speed to get how far up it travels?
 
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  • #20
bulldog23 said:
oh ok. So then I divide by the initial speed?

No. You need to get the distance... you have v0, a and vf = 0. use kinematics to get the distance.
 
  • #21
alright, thanks for the help!
 
  • #22
bulldog23 said:
alright, thanks for the help!

Did you get the distance?
 

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