NASA How Fast Can NASA Shuttles Really Travel in Space?

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NASA shuttles are limited in speed by fuel capacity and the laws of physics, as they retain their mass in space. Achieving higher speeds requires more fuel, which increases the shuttle's weight and reduces its range. While theoretically, a shuttle could approach the speed of light with unlimited fuel, practical constraints prevent this. The shuttle's design allows it to reach low Earth orbit at about 17,300 mph, but further travel requires significant fuel for acceleration and deceleration. Ultimately, fuel availability is the primary limitation for space travel speed and distance.
  • #31
rbj said:
it doesn't hit the speed of light. even with all the fuel in the universe.

when i had said that i had meant when the shuttle gets to the speed of light then what would happen to it

Jeff Reid said:
I'm not sure what fuel is used to slow down the shuttle for reentry. The small maneuvering thrusters use a fuel that doesn't have the storage issues of hyrodgen and oxygen, but it's toxic.

To slow down i know they use the rudder and i am pretty sure they use the slats, flaps and spoiler. When planes are landing they use all of those except for the rudder

Shuttle rudder
 
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The Shuttle first has to enter the atmosphere. The aero surfaces don't do anything while the Shuttle is on-orbit. The Shuttle has to do a "de-orbit burn" directed against the orbital velocity vector. The burn changes the eccentricity of the Shuttle's orbit such that the perigee is below the top of the atmosphere. Half an orbit or so later, the Shuttle enters the atmosphere.

Once it does enter the atmosphere, it is the body of the Shuttle that slows the Shuttle down, not the aero control surfaces. That is why the bottom of the Shuttle is covered with tile. Those aero control surfaces exist to keep the Shuttle on the right angle of attack and in the right attitude.
 
  • #33
As D_H points out, the shuttle uses aerobraking, not aerodynamics to slow down - the very same aerobraking that all the Apollo capsules used - and they didn't have any wings or rudder.

At 25 times the speed of sound you don't want to be sticking anything out. The wings and rudder only come into play once the shuttle slows below the speed of sound.
 
  • #34
noagname said:
To slow down i know they use the rudder and i am pretty sure they use the slats, flaps and spoiler.
Shuttle rudder
The shuttle doesn't have flaps, but it does have speed brakes in the vertical stabilizer as seen in the picture. The speed brakes aren't used until the shuttle is well below sub-sonic speed. Wiki includes information about what occurs between re-entry and landing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle

Many (most) delta wing type aircraft don't have flaps, since delta wings can be flown at about double the angle of attack of a normal wing to allow for slower speed flight such as landing. The Concorde is a typical delta wing design, without flaps (the rear control surfaces are elevons).

http://www.concordesst.com/wing.html
 
  • #35
NASA has a "Landing 101" web page that describes shuttle landing from 4 hours prior to deorbit burn to wheelstop. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/launch/landing101.html

Note that (1) the aerosurfaces become active as soon as they have some air to work against, and (2) the Shuttle doesn't go subsonic until it is 25 miles shy of the landing site. Practically all of the descent is supersonic.

noagname said:
when i had said that i had meant when the shuttle gets to the speed of light then what would happen to it

The Shuttle goes Mach 25 or so (25 times the speed of sound). The speed of light is Mach 880991. Science fiction movies do not portray reality, and are particular guilty of veering from science to fiction when it comes to spacecraft . Spacecraft, unlike aircraft, do not need to bank to turn and cannot turn on a dime. Spacecraft are not at all like jet fighters. If you want a good analogy, think of a fully-loaded 18 wheeler on ice with a VW engine and no brakes.
 
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D H said:
If you want a good analogy, think of a fully-loaded 18 wheeler on ice with a VW engine and no brakes.
I love it!
 
  • #37
ok ok
i am young and i am into airplanes not shuttles
i guess i just drifted into a no fly zone.
and nice analogy
 
  • #38
rbj said:
it doesn't hit the speed of light. even with all the fuel in the universe.

noagname said:
when i had said that i had meant when the shuttle gets to the speed of light then what would happen to it

the shuttle doesn't get to the speed of light. so how can your question be answered? there is no meaning to a question of "what are the consequences when something impossible happens?"
 
  • #39
D H said:
Spacecraft are not at all like jet fighters. If you want a good analogy, think of a fully-loaded 18 wheeler on ice with a VW engine and no brakes.

OMG I'm still laughing! The only caveat being that while controlling direction and velocity can be brutal, with thrusters and gyro's and no air there is a vast amount more freedom of attitude control.
 

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