NASA Captures First Air-to-Air Images of Supersonic Shockwave

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The discussion centers around NASA's recent achievement in capturing air-to-air images of supersonic shockwaves from two aircraft in flight. Participants explore the technology used for imaging, its potential applications, and historical context related to supersonic flight.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express excitement about the clarity and quality of the images captured by NASA's new photographic technology.
  • There is a question regarding whether the technology could be adapted for video capture, with one participant explaining the principles of background oriented schlieren (BOS) and its requirements for static backgrounds.
  • Another participant discusses the limitations of BOS in dynamic scenarios and suggests that high altitude could help achieve a stationary background for video capture.
  • One participant shares their appreciation for the T-38 Talon aircraft featured in the images and provides historical context about its use in supersonic flight training.
  • There is a mention of different schlieren techniques, with a distinction made between Z schlieren and BOS, noting that BOS relies on digital image analysis.
  • A participant indicates plans to use the images in a compressible flow class, highlighting their relevance to recent topics covered in the course.
  • Several posts reference historical figures and events related to supersonic flight, including Chuck Yeager, with some participants sharing personal anecdotes and clarifying historical details.

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Participants generally express enthusiasm about the images and the technology, but there are differing views on the feasibility of video capture using the described techniques. Historical references and personal experiences also lead to some light-hearted exchanges, but no consensus is reached on the technical aspects of video capture.

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The discussion includes technical details about imaging techniques and their requirements, which may not be fully resolved. The historical context provided is based on personal recollections and may vary in accuracy.

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https://www.nasa.gov/centers/armstrong/features/supersonic-shockwave-interaction.html

“We never dreamt that it would be this clear, this beautiful.”

Physical Scientist J.T. Heineck of NASA’s Ames Research Center in Mountain View, California gets his first glimpse at a set of long-awaited images, and takes a moment to reflect on more than 10 years of technique development – an effort that has led to a milestone for NASA’s Aeronautics Research Mission Directorate.

NASA has successfully tested an advanced air-to-air photographic technology in flight, capturing the first-ever images of the interaction of shockwaves from two supersonic aircraft in flight.

“I am ecstatic about how these images turned out,” said Heineck. “With this upgraded system, we have, by an order of magnitude, improved both the speed and quality of our imagery from previous research.”

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Very cool! Is the technology only for still photos or could there be video at some point?
 
You can do schlieren videos, though I am not sure how well it would work in a situation like this where the background pattern is in motion. Background oriented schlieren (BOS) requires a static background image with no flow disturbances as a reference in order to work. The idea is you take that background with some kind of pattern on it that allows reliable cross-correlation. Then you take another image with the flow process occurring in front of the background. The shock and expansion waves mean there will be density gradients that bend light and distort the background image. By cross-correlating the baseline and distorted images (or, rather, subsets of them), you can work out the density gradient, which is what is pictured in these photos.

In principle, once you have a single reference background image, you could then take a movie of the planes flying over it provided the background was effectively stationary, so parallax is our friend here. You'd need to be at a high enough altitude that it appeared stationary over the time scales involved, but not so high that it just looks like a smeared blur, as you need texture to that background to do the cross-correlation.
 
The T-38 Talon in the schlieren photos also cool and amazing. This aircraft was the go-to trainer back in the 1970's after setting numerous records for supersonic flight in the 1960's. Love this T-38 photo over Edwards AFB. NASA has similar models for chase and research.
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boneh3ad said:
You can do schlieren videos, though I am not sure how well it would work in a situation like this where the background pattern is in motion. Background oriented schlieren (BOS) requires a static background image with no flow disturbances as a reference in order to work. The idea is you take that background with some kind of pattern on it that allows reliable cross-correlation. Then you take another image with the flow process occurring in front of the background. [snip]
The hypersonic wind tunnel, part of the Unitary Plan wind tunnel complex at NASA Ames research center, had a thick 'schlieren window'. If memory serves one could view transitions then the shock wave passing as operations exceed mach 1. The window was usually obscured by camera equipment during experiments but was unencumbered during site acceptance testing after new drive motors installed.
 

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That's probably a Z schlieren system, though. BOS is relatively new since it requires digital image analysis. Z schlieren can be done entirely analog.
 
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These images will be going on up a screen in my compressible flow class as soon as the students return from spring break on Monday. We literally just finished covering oblique shocks and expansion waves.
 
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Klystron said:
... when I was in the USAF way back in the 1970's after setting numerous records for supersonic flight in the 1960's
Wow. You and Col. Yaeger at each other's heels like that. Cool. :cool:
 
sysprog said:
Wow. You and Col. Yaeger at each other's heels like that. Cool. :cool:
The aircraft set the records. I was but a child. I'll edit the sentence 8-). Yeager began as an enlisted maintenance tech then flyer during WWII. His highest rank was General in the USAF, though he was a colonel while commanding a squadron IIRC.
 
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Klystron said:
The aircraft set the records. I was but a child. I'll edit the sentence :cool:. Yeager began as an enlisted maintenance tech then flyer during WWII. His highest rank was General in the USAF, though he was a colonel while commanding a squadron IIRC.
Oh c'mon, Klystron -- I was just razzin' about the amphiboly in the sentence --
If you edit it to fix it you'll ruin the fun ... :cool:

... and you do recall correctly ... Gen. Yaeger was Col. Yaeger in the '60s ...
 
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