How Fast is an Electron Moving Relative to the Speed of Light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of an electron relative to the speed of light, using the de Broglie wavelength and mass of the electron. Participants explore the calculations involved and the interpretation of results, with a focus on the implications of relativistic effects.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation for the velocity of an electron based on its de Broglie wavelength and mass, arriving at a value of 2.1974*10^-74 m/s.
  • Another participant challenges the validity of this result, suggesting that such a small velocity is unreasonable for a particle like an electron.
  • A different participant recalculates the velocity, suggesting it is approximately 2.197*10^6 m/s, and provides a ratio of this velocity to the speed of light, resulting in v = 0.00732c.
  • There is a mention of the need to consider relativistic effects for deeper understanding of electron properties.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the calculation of percentage speed relative to the speed of light and seeks clarification on the correct approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial calculation's validity, with some asserting it is incorrect while others provide alternative calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the initial approach and its implications.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of potential errors in exponent handling and calculation methods, which may affect the results presented. The discussion also highlights the importance of relativistic considerations in particle physics.

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The mass of an electron is 9.11*10^-31 kg. If the de Broglie wavelength for an electron in an hydrogen atom is 3.31*10^-10 m, how fast is the electron moving relative to the speed of light? The speed of light is 3.00*10^8 m/s.

here's what I did: i solved for velocity=6.626*10^-34J/(9.11*10^-31kg)(3.31*10^-10)
v=2.1974*10^-74
and i tried to gain the percent by dividing the speed of light by velocity.

where did i go wrong?
 
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Your calculation is wrong. Don't just blindly do calculations. Think...does the number your calculator has spewed out actually make any sense? When it's something ridiculous like 10^-74 m/s, the answer is emphatically NO. Kind of slow for a particle, don't you think?

I get v = (0.00732)c
 
plstevens said:
The mass of an electron is 9.11*10^-31 kg. If the de Broglie wavelength for an electron in an hydrogen atom is 3.31*10^-10 m, how fast is the electron moving relative to the speed of light? The speed of light is 3.00*10^8 m/s.

here's what I did: i solved for velocity=6.626*10^-34J/(9.11*10^-31kg)(3.31*10^-10)
v=2.1974*10^-74
and i tried to gain the percent by dividing the speed of light by velocity.

where did i go wrong?


how did u calculate... watch the exponents first...

the magnitude is 10^7 m/s...

\frac{6}{9\times3}\times\frac{10^{-34}}{10^{-31}\times10^{-10}}\approx\frac{2}{9}10^7 m/s
this suggest us that it is better to treat the electron relativistically if we want to penetrate deep in its properties...
regards
marco
 
thanx Dirac :)
 
so hows do i get the percentage here's what I'm doing: 3.00*10^8 m/s /100 = 0.00732/x. x=2.4*10^8, but i know this isn't right so, what shall i do?
 
I'm not sure what percentage you are talking about, since it's not mentioned in the original post.

For the velocity of the particle, I get:

v = 2.197 \times 10^6 \ \ \ \frac{\textrm{m}}{\textrm{s}}

The question asks how fast the particle is moving relative to the speed of light. Well, their ratio is

\frac{v}{c} = \frac{2.197 \times 10^6 \ \ \ \textrm{m/s}}{3.00 \times 10^8 \ \ \ \textrm{m/s}} = 0.00732

So, expressed in units of the speed of light, the velocity is

v = 0.00732c

The particle is moving at 0.00732 times the speed of light. Obviously, as a percentage, that's 0.732%. So I guess if you wanted to, you could say that the particle is moving at 0.732% of the speed of light. It's a completely equivalent statement though. It doesn't add any extra meaning.
 

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