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Ted Haggard, a prominent evangelical leader and former president of the National Association of Evangelicals, resigned after allegations surfaced that he paid for sex with a male prostitute and admitted to buying methamphetamine. This scandal, alongside the Mark Foley controversy, raises questions about the hypocrisy within the evangelical community, particularly regarding their strong stance against homosexuality and immorality. Despite these revelations, many believe that the evangelical vote will remain largely unchanged, as the alliance with the Republican Party is deeply entrenched. Haggard's situation highlights a broader issue of perceived hypocrisy among conservative leaders who publicly advocate for family values while engaging in behaviors contrary to those principles. The discussion reflects a growing concern about the impact of such scandals on the integrity of the evangelical movement and its political influence.
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loseyourname said:
I'd rather have a hypocrite passing the legislation I want passed than honest Abe passing the opposite.
Point taken. I'm not sure I'd always vote in the person who's most likely to pass my agenda if I think he's a complete slimeball...but if he were running against anyone but a relatively honest Abe, I think I'd often do the same.

The way character figures in my decision is through the variabity that sliminess brings with it. If the guy can't be trusted, I'd be nervous about what he'd do 2 months down the road. I believe it (character) plays a more direct and telling role in the decisions of the most others, though.
 
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loseyourname said:
The thing is, if you're a social conservative, shouldn't you vote in the person that will back and get passed socially conservative legislation?

If you are really a conservative, this is not even an issue at the federal level. I think you mean pseudoconservatives.

Even if the guy is a gay vampire, at least he really will try to get an amendment passed banning gay marriage. I'm not personally a social conservative, but whichever way one may lean, on the grand scale of things, I'd rather have a hypocrite passing the legislation I want passed than honest Abe passing the opposite.

If the person is a hypocrite, then you really have no idea who you are electing, or what he or she will do.
 
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LURCH said:
BTW; I would very much like to read the script for the speach. Does anyone have a link? I'm guessing that his publicist would have immediately posted that document on the 'net somewhere, as soon as he started to make the claim that it was a mis-spoken joke about the president. I've heard more than one version of what he meant to say, and I'd like to read it myself.

I couldn't find the full transcript, but here is what Kerry said right before the infamous remark. Src:

I (Kerry) has been in Texas the day before. President Bush used to live in that state, but now he lives in the state of denial. The trip has reminded me (Kerry) the value of education. If you make the most of it ...

Did you have the same grudge against Bush for his literal mistakes?

I wonder if there would be any way for us, the common citizens, to make it clear to politicians that we dislike the recitation of prepared speeches. It would take a drastic change, and so I don't think it would happen quickly. However, perhaps in a process resembling natural selection, in which the candidate who speaks most frequently from his own mind gets the most votes, perhaps a new campaigning methodology might "evolve".
You really don't like Bush, don't you?:smile:
 
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I don't normally spend so much tiem ni the politics forum, but I think I will start a thread on prepared speeches.
You really don't like Bush, don't you?
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Well, would you agree that if we take away prepared speech, Bush would be in big trouble? He is already having difficulty formulating complete sentence. It would be a national embarrassment everytime he communicate verbally.
 
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