How High Does a Balloon Rise With 97000 J Work Against Gravity and Wind?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a hot-air balloon that rises against gravity and wind, with a specified amount of work done on it. Participants are exploring the implications of the work-energy theorem in the context of the balloon's ascent and its kinetic energy at a given height.

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  • Some participants question the interpretation of the total work done on the balloon and whether it is reasonable to assume that this work is applied uniformly throughout the ascent. Others discuss the relationship between the work done, gravitational potential energy, and kinetic energy at a specific height.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the phrasing of the question and the assumptions regarding the work done on the balloon. There is no explicit consensus on the interpretation of the work done, and multiple perspectives are being explored regarding the mechanics involved.

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There is a mention of the negative work done by gravity, which is not explicitly included in the problem statement. Some participants express uncertainty about the assumptions made in the problem setup, particularly regarding the nature of the work done by the buoyant force and wind.

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a 500kg hot-air balloon takes off from rest at the surface of the earth. the nonconservative wind and lift forces take the balloon up, doing 97000 J of work on the balloon in the process. At what height above the surface of the Earth does the balloon have a speed of 8.00 m/s?

I stared at this question for atleast an hour and I was convinced that there is no solution. Then I tried just deducting the kinetic energy at 8.00 m/s from 97000 and using that as the gravitation protential, and I get the answer that is in the back of the book. I do not agree with this. Where does the question indicate that all of this work is done at once allowing the balloon to have 97000J of mechanical energy during the entire trip? Is not it reasonable to assume that the lift forces are constantly doing work on the balloon and therefore the balloon did not have that 97000J all along?
 
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The mechanical energy gained by the balloon comes from the buoyant force and wind. The 97000 J is the total work from buoyant force (Wb) and wind (Ww) [negative work of air resistance is ignored, I assume].

The work not mentioned is the negative work done by gravity (mgh). The work-energy theorem says that the net work done on an object is equal to the change in kinetic energy. Therefore Wb+Ww+(-mgh)=delta K. Which is what you got.
 
Atomos said:
a 500kg hot-air balloon takes off from rest at the surface of the earth. the nonconservative wind and lift forces take the balloon up, doing 97000 J of work on the balloon in the process. At what height above the surface of the Earth does the balloon have a speed of 8.00 m/s?

I stared at this question for atleast an hour and I was convinced that there is no solution. Then I tried just deducting the kinetic energy at 8.00 m/s from 97000 and using that as the gravitation protential, and I get the answer that is in the back of the book. I do not agree with this. Where does the question indicate that all of this work is done at once allowing the balloon to have 97000J of mechanical energy during the entire trip? Is not it reasonable to assume that the lift forces are constantly doing work on the balloon and therefore the balloon did not have that 97000J all along?

The question would've been better phrased like so : "Find the height of the balloon when it attains a speed of 8 m/s, assuming that, by this point, a total of 97,000 J of work had been done on the balloon by the buoyant force."
 
juz wondering, is the ans 17 meter?
 
this qn is from a ****ell and Johnson Physics textbook ver 6 rite? i rem doing a qn like this yesterday ... lol
 

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