How Long Before a Dropped Compass Hits the Ground from a Rising Balloon?

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The problem involves a hot-air balloon rising at a constant speed and the subsequent drop of a compass from it. The original poster is trying to determine the total time it takes for the compass to hit the ground after being dropped from a height of 3.20 meters.

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  • The original poster calculates the time for the balloon to reach a certain height and attempts to find the time for the compass to fall, but expresses confusion about the results. Some participants point out the importance of considering the compass's initial upward velocity when dropped, and others suggest using kinematic equations to analyze the motion further.

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Participants are actively discussing the problem, with some providing alternative approaches and equations to consider. There is an ongoing exploration of the initial conditions affecting the compass's motion, but no consensus has been reached on the correct method or final answer.

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There is a focus on the initial velocity of the compass and how it affects the calculations, with participants questioning the assumptions made in the original poster's approach. The discussion reflects the complexity of the problem and the need for careful consideration of the physics involved.

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Ive been stressing on this problem for a while ill show you the work below

A hot-air balloon is rising upward with a constant speed of 2.60 m/s. When the balloon is 3.20 m above the ground, the balloonist accidentally drops a compass over the side of the balloon. How much time elapses before the compass hits the ground?

so first i did the time it took for the balloon to reach 3.2 meters which was 3.2/2.6= 1.23 seconds

and than i did the falling object which i got .808 seconds. using -9.8 as acceleration and found used the basic kinematic equations to get the .808 seconds


i added these together for the round trip to hit the ground and got 2.0389 seconds but this number is not right i don't know what I am doing wrong. I've tried just the regular fall from the balloon and it didnt work. I am lost confused why it isn't working and frustrated thanks a lot in advance
 
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Remember the compass, when dropped, had an initial upward velocity, it didnt drop from rest. Did you take that into account?
 
no i did not I am going to try and work that right now
 
If you don't get it, I think my answer came out to be t=1.11586 seconds from the time the compass is let go till it hits the ground, so that plus whatever time to get the balloon into the air.

using
Xf-Xi = Vi*t + (1/2) a t^2

Solving for t
 
gmunoz18 said:
no i did not I am going to try and work that right now

You have the altitude h and the initial speed V_0, so you may apply
V=V_0-gt_1,
and
V^2=V_0^2-2.g.h_1,
and set V=0 to know the time t_1 and the height h_1 that the compass rise further (up to the max height under the action of gravity). That is,
t_1=V_0/g, and h_1=(V_0)^2/(2g).
So by applying now free fall you have
h_1+h=1/2.g.(t_2)^2 (recall that V=0 there, at the max height)
Solve for t_2 and the answer is
t=t_1+t_2.
That is an instructive way to solve it because you know what are doing.
 

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