How increased mass and drag affect speed

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The discussion centers on the relationship between mass, drag, and speed in cycling, particularly how increased mass can lead to higher speeds due to the cubic relationship with velocity. The Drag equation, expressed as Drag = 0.5 * coefficient * rho * v^2 * A, illustrates that aerodynamic drag decreases speed quadratically. The terminal velocity concept is crucial, as it defines the speed at which the forces of acceleration and drag are balanced. The discussion highlights that heavier cyclists can achieve greater speeds due to the increased mass affecting terminal velocity more significantly than drag.

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Hello. I read an article about aerodynamics.

http://www.cyclist.co.uk/in-depth/2873/fat-v-skinny-who-goes-downhill-faster

I'm a little bit confused with this statement regarding mass, drag, and velocity:

"When you increase the mass the speed increases by cubic function, whereas if you increase the aerodynamic drag the speed decreases by a square function. Hence why cyclists who are heavier can go faster"

I get the relationship between the aerodynamic drag and speed based on the Drag equation

Drag = 0.5 coefficient * rho * v^2 * A so v = sqrt(2mg/coefficient*rho*A)

However, I'm not sure where the cubic function for the mass and speed relationship was taken. Can someone tell explain this to me? Thank you.
 
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rc1234 said:
I get the relationship between the aerodynamic drag and speed based on the Drag equation
Do you ? I find the wording in the link utterly confusing. Key is in
Terminal velocity is the speed at which aerodynamic drag counters the force of acceleration
Downhill acceleration force is ##mg\sin\alpha## if the slope angle is ##\alpha##. So if you put a cylinder with mass ##m## and frontal area ##A## on a saddle and let it coast downhill, the contraption will reach some terminal velocity ##v_t##. Make the radius 10% bigger and the area will increase by 10%. But the mass will increase by 20%, so the equilibrium "downhill force = drag force" allows an in crease of 5% in ##v_t## (if the coefficient doesn't change).

rc1234 said:
where the cubic function for the mass and speed relationship was taken
And right you are there: heavier folks generally are not lighter folks enlarged in three directions.

Further down the link is also confusing: the tandem bicycle has double the force and about the same air resistance on a horizontal road.
 
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