How is ΔU calculated in relation to enthalpy and work?

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ΔU is calculated using the formula ΔU = ΔH - pΔV, where ΔH represents the change in enthalpy and pΔV accounts for the work done on or by the system. In the example discussed, ΔH is -49 kJ and the work done on the system during gas compression is 5 kJ, leading to confusion over the sign convention. The correct interpretation is that when work is done on the system, pΔV is negative, resulting in ΔU = -49 kJ - (-5 kJ) = -44 kJ. The discussion highlights the differing conventions between chemistry and engineering regarding work calculations. Understanding these conventions is crucial for accurate energy calculations in thermodynamic processes.
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Ok, I'll get pretty straight-forward.

So, the usual assumptions:
Energy given to the system: > 0
Energy taken from the system: < 0

Enthalpy is defined as:

ΔH = ΔU + pΔV, so

ΔU = ΔH - pΔV

Let's say that during some chemical reaction there is heat produced (Energy taken from the system):

ΔH = -49 kJ

... And a gas was compressed (Energy given to the system):

W = 5 kJ

To calculate the change in internal energy

ΔU = ΔH - pΔV
ΔU = -49 kJ - 5 kJ = -54 kJ

However, this does not make sense to me.
Shoudn't it be -44 kJ by common sense?

Is it the sign convention is intentionally switched in the first term?

Thanks.
 
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W is the work done by the system on the surroundings. If the surroundings do work on the system, the work is negative. If the gas is compressed, pΔV is negative. So, pΔV = -5 kJ. So the answer should be -44 kJ.

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Absentee said:
Is it the sign convention is intentionally switched in the first term?

Thanks.

Sign convention is always nasty. In chemistry one mostly considers W to be the work done on the system, hence ##W=-p\Delta V## and ##\Delta U=Q+W##. Engineers (like Chestermiller) are usually more interested in the work a system can do on its surrounding and use ## W=p\Delta V## together with ##\Delta U=Q-W##. From your text, I am inclined to assume that you are using the first convention.
 
Great, thanks!
 

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