How Is Ice Formed When Aluminum Cools Water?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving heat transfer and phase changes, specifically focusing on the scenario where a piece of aluminum is added to water, leading to the formation of ice. The participants are analyzing the energy exchanges between the aluminum and water to determine the mass of water that freezes into ice.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the heat transfer equation, questioning the signs and values used for specific heat capacities and latent heat. There is an exploration of the mass of ice formed and the implications of the calculations leading to results that exceed the initial mass of water.

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Several participants have provided guidance on correcting the equations and addressing potential sign errors. There is an ongoing examination of the terms used in the calculations, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their approach and seeking clarification on the correct values and signs.

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I'm working on the following homework problem but have just been stumped:

A 0.185 kg piece of aluminum that has a temperature of -155°C is added to 1.5 kg of water that has a temperature of 2.1°C. At equilibrium the temperature is 0.0°C. Ignoring the container and assuming that the heat exchanged with the surroundings is negligible, determine the mass of water that has been frozen into ice.

So I started by writing down the data for the aluminum and water, and tried the following:
Qalum.+Qwater+Qice = 0
mcΔT + mcΔT + mLvapor. = 0
(0.185)(9e2)(0-(-155)) + (1.5)(4186)(0-2.1) + (1.5 - x)(22.6e5) = 0
x = 1.50558 kg of ice was frozen, which, unfortunately for me, is greater than the amount I started with. :(

If anyone could point out what I'm doing wrong or if I'm missing some major concept, it would be awesome!
Thanks
 
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Hi jason.maran,

jason.maran said:
I'm working on the following homework problem but have just been stumped:

A 0.185 kg piece of aluminum that has a temperature of -155°C is added to 1.5 kg of water that has a temperature of 2.1°C. At equilibrium the temperature is 0.0°C. Ignoring the container and assuming that the heat exchanged with the surroundings is negligible, determine the mass of water that has been frozen into ice.

So I started by writing down the data for the aluminum and water, and tried the following:
Qalum.+Qwater+Qice = 0
mcΔT + mcΔT + mLvapor. = 0
(0.185)(9e2)(0-(-155)) + (1.5)(4186)(0-2.1) + (1.5 - x)(22.6e5) = 0

The number 22.6e5 seems too large. I believe that is the heat of vaporization, and here you need the heat of fusion.

Also, compare compare the signs of the three terms. Water is losing heat, and so its heat change terms should be negative, so I think you have a sign error here.
 
I'm still not getting the answer correct, I've now got:
(0.185)(9e2)(155) - (1.5)(4186)(-2.1) - (1.5 - x)(33.5e4) = 0
x = 1.3836 kg
I'm wondering if my quantity (1.5 - x) is wrong for finding the amount of ice formed?

Thanks for your help

EDIT: I'm getting my values for L from: http://www.webassign.net/CJ/12-03tab.gif if it matters.
 
jason.maran said:
I'm still not getting the answer correct, I've now got:
(0.185)(9e2)(155) - (1.5)(4186)(-2.1) - (1.5 - x)(33.5e4) = 0

You don't need to add the negative sign for the second term; it was already negative. (You've now made the second term positive!)

The mcΔT terms automatically have the right sign; but when you have an mL term you have to decide if the substance is melting or freezing, and then give it the appropriate sign.

Do you get the right answer?
 
Thanks alphysicist -- that was it, thanks for the help. I really appreciate it! :)
 
Glad to help!
 

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