How is Jackson’s Electrodynamics taught during undergraduate?

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The discussion centers on the teaching of Jackson's Electrodynamics in undergraduate physics programs, comparing different educational structures across countries, particularly focusing on the transition from introductory physics courses to advanced texts like Jackson. Participants explore how varying curricula may affect students' understanding and intuition in electrodynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that in the U.S., students typically take a general physics course followed by Griffiths before encountering Jackson at the graduate level, while in other countries, such as Argentina, students may proceed directly from a general physics course to Jackson.
  • There is a concern expressed about whether the direct transition to Jackson without a gradual buildup might leave gaps in students' knowledge or lead to a lack of physical understanding.
  • One participant requests specific examples of universities where Halliday and Resnick are followed directly by Jackson, indicating a desire for concrete evidence of this educational structure.
  • Another participant provides a link to a German university's curriculum, suggesting that the educational structure varies significantly between countries, with some students having a more extensive background before studying Jackson.
  • A participant from Zagreb, Croatia, shares their experience of using the Berkeley course in the first year and a mix of texts, including Jackson, in the third year, raising questions about the second-year curriculum.
  • Responses indicate that some programs may not include electrodynamics in every academic year, with one participant expressing surprise at the idea of consistent yearly instruction in electrodynamics.
  • Another participant reflects on their overall satisfaction with the structure and pacing of their degree, despite some courses being less effective in terms of learning.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of various curricular structures for teaching electrodynamics, with no consensus on the best approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differences on students' understanding.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that educational systems differ significantly across countries, which may influence the foundational knowledge students possess before tackling advanced topics like electrodynamics. There are also mentions of varying curricular structures that may not include electrodynamics every year, indicating potential gaps in exposure.

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I’ve heard that in some countries (for example, Argentina), the curriculum is structured differently from the typical American program. In the U.S., students usually take a general physics course first, then move on to a textbook like Griffiths, and only encounter Jackson at the graduate level. In contrast, in those countries students go through a general physics course (such as Resnick-Halliday) and then proceed directly to Jackson. If the slower, more gradual approach is considered important for developing intuition, how do students in this system build that intuition? Doesn’t this approach risk leaving gaps in their knowledge, or result in students being able to solve problems without a real physical understanding of what they are doing?
 
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gfgfgf said:
... In contrast, in those countries students go through a general physics course (such as Resnick-Halliday) and then proceed directly to Jackson. ...
Can you please cite some specific universities and their curricula that explicitly demonstrate that Halliday and Resnick (typically used as a text for freshman physics majors) is followed by Jackson E&M (typically used for first-year physics graduate students).
 
renormalize said:
Can you please cite some specific universities and their curricula that explicitly demonstrate that Halliday and Resnick (typically used as a text for freshman physics majors) is followed by Jackson E&M (typically used for first-year physics graduate students).
Different country but I found this from Germany: https://www.physes.uni-leipzig.de/f...20915_BSc-IPSP-3years_module-descriptions.pdf
 
Muu9 said:
That’s a 3 year BSc curriculum. In Germany students have had 13 years of education and they’ve already learned calculus and the equivalent of something like Halliday and Resnick. The material is basically the same in most countries, the structure of the educational system is different.
 
In my case (Zagreb, Croatia) at the first year we used the Berkeley course, and then at the third year the lectures on electrodynamics was a mixture of several books, including Jackson, Landau-Lifshitz and Griffiths.
 
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Demystifier said:
In my case (Zagreb, Croatia) at the first year we used the Berkeley course, and then at the third year the lectures on electrodynamics was a mixture of several books, including Jackson, Landau-Lifshitz and Griffiths.
What about the second year?
 
Muu9 said:
What about the second year?
No electrodynamics at all.
 
Demystifier said:
No electrodynamics at all.
What are your thoughts on the way your degree was structured and paced?
 
Muu9 said:
What about the second year?
I would be surprised if there is a degree where electrodynamics is taught every year.
 
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Demystifier said:
In my case (Zagreb, Croatia) at the first year we used the Berkeley course, and then at the third year the lectures on electrodynamics was a mixture of several books, including Jackson, Landau-Lifshitz and Griffiths.
Same at Caltech in the late 1970s, but I think EM was just Jackson.
 
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Muu9 said:
What are your thoughts on the way your degree was structured and paced?
A few easy courses were structured so that I learned absolutely nothing there, but most of the courses were ok. All in all, I am satisfied.
 

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