How is motion in space different than motion in spacetime?

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The discussion clarifies that the motion of two particles cannot be definitively categorized as movement through space or due to the expansion of spacetime without a broader frame of reference. It emphasizes that the concept of space expansion applies to a uniform density of matter and energy across the universe, which is not applicable to just two particles. The conversation also highlights that spacetime itself does not expand; rather, the perception of expansion is dependent on the choice of coordinates used to describe the motion of particles. The invariant fact is that particles can be observed moving apart through the exchange of light signals, indicating increasing round-trip travel times.

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If two particles are moving apart, how is it determined if they are moving through space or if the motion is due to the expansion of space-time? Especially if there was no other frame of reference.
 
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Pjpic said:
If two particles are moving apart, how is it determined if they are moving space or if the motion is due to the expansion of space-time? Especially if there was no other frame of reference.
With two particles only, the expansion of space doesn't make sense.

The expansion of space is a description of a particular space-time. That space-time includes, in its simplest form, a uniform density of matter/energy everywhere in the universe. With two particles, there just isn't a uniform density, so the description doesn't apply. With our own universe, on large scales (greater than a couple hundred million light years), the density is approximately uniform, so we can talk about average expansion between far-away galaxies.
 
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If two particles are moving apart, how is it determined if they are moving through space or if the motion is due to the expansion of space-time?

Spacetime doesn't expand. "Space" can expand, if you choose coordinates appropriately (and if the spacetime geometry permits such a coordinate choice); in such a case, that choice of coordinates might also show the particles "moving apart" or it might not. However, none of that is really to do with the actual physics; it's to do with your coordinate choice. The only real physical invariant is that the particles are moving apart--you can tell that by having them exchange light signals and measuring increasing round-trip travel times of those signals, according to clocks moving with each particle. There's no need to talk about "space expanding" or "moving through space" at all.
 
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