How is Shear Force Calculated for I-Beams?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of shear force in I-beams, specifically focusing on the method of determining the shear force resisted by the web of the beam. Participants are exploring different approaches to calculating the shear force and the variable Q in the context of mechanics of materials problems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over the calculation of Q in shear force problems, noting discrepancies in methods used for different problems.
  • The participant questions the rationale behind using different areas and heights in the calculations for Q, seeking clarification on the values used.
  • Another participant shares a similar experience and suggests that the issue may relate to the thickness values used in the calculations.
  • A third participant redirects the discussion to a more appropriate forum for mechanics of materials questions and introduces the concept of 'shear flow' as relevant to the topic.
  • One participant acknowledges the similarity of their question to the original post and speculates that different methods of calculation may be at play.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct method for calculating shear force or the variable Q, indicating that multiple competing views and uncertainties remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the assumptions and methods used in the calculations, particularly concerning the areas and heights involved in determining Q. There is a lack of clarity on how these values are derived and applied in different problems.

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So I'm taking a Strengths of Materials class right now (aka Mechanics of Materials) and my teacher absolutely sucks. We ask him questions but he doesn't have answers, so in turn I have no idea what is going on and why the book does what it does.

Right now we're working with I-beams and some of the problems deal with Shear Force (not to be confused with Shear stress). The question says "If the wide flanged beam is subjected to a shear of V = 30 kN, determine the shear force resisted by the web of the beam." Then it gives the dimensions and all that. I've asked my teacher to do this problem but he just copies from the solutions manual and doesn't explain anything.

So what the solution did was find the things needed for the equation T(shear) = VQ/It. It first finds I, which I can figure out, but I don't get how it calculates Q. It takes the height from the Neutral Axis to the top (.155 in this case), then adds an arbitrary y value. It divides this value by 2, then multiplies by (.155 - y)*(.2) ...where .2 is the length of the top of the I-beam. And that's it. Usually when Q is calculated (that I've seen) it's the distance of the centroid of the part to the NA, multiplied by that parts area. (Part being...that you can break I-beams into the horizontal part and the vertical part). But I don't understand why in this problem it seems to be taking the whole area (of a box instead of the top half of the I-beam) and multiplying it by (.155 + y)/2. Where does this value come from?

Then in a DIFFERENT problem reading, "If the wide flange beam is subjected to a shear of V = 25 kip, determine the shear force resisted by the web of the beam." I is calculated the same way...but Q is totally different than the previous problem. It calculates the horizontal part like I thought, but then it adds what I presume is the vertical part, making it look like:

(.5y + 2.5)*(5-y)*(1)

Where the total height of the vertical part is 10 inches (thus the 2.5 is 1/4 of 10 [half away from the NA]) and 5-y I guess is the arbitrary height of the "point". I have no idea where the .5 comes from (except maybe half of the thickness of the horizontal part, which is 1 in), but why is it multiplied by y? And why is it added to the horizontal part whereas in the last problem it was just the Q of what seemed to be the whole box?

Sorry if this is terribly confusing, but I don't know how else to explain it without using pictures. I'm just confused what their method of calculating Q is and why it's different between the two seemingly same problems. Thank you for any help in advance and let me know if you need me to clear some things up! ^_^
 
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I know this is really old but I have exactly the same issue! I'll be asking my lecturer within the week though. I think it has to do with the thickness value used though...

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Thanks. Its just that I had exactly the same question as the OP which I thought was interesting. Anywyas I figured it was just a different method of calculation.

Studiot said:
Hello Jason, you would do better to post mechanics of materials questions in the mech eng forum.

Here is a good presentation.

The key phrase is 'shear flow'.

http://www.google.co.uk/#sclient=ps...&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=e8605a0cb6e399f5

go well
 

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