How Do I Calculate the Shearing Force for Cutting Plastic?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the shearing force required for cutting plastic materials, specifically POM and polycarbonate, in the context of designing a plastic granulator. Participants explore the theoretical and practical aspects of cutting forces, including the assumptions made about shear strength and the geometry of cutting tools.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the cutting force using the equation F = A x Ss, resulting in a force of 420 kN, which they find unexpectedly large.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the 420 kN figure, suggesting that it sounds reasonable for shear forces.
  • Discussion includes analogies comparing cutting with different tools, such as knives and spoons, to illustrate the mechanics of cutting forces.
  • Concerns are raised about the calculation of work and energy requirements, with one participant noting that similar granulators operate at much lower power ratings.
  • Participants discuss the design of blades, noting that they do not cut the entire area at once and that cutting occurs along the length of the blade, similar to scissors or guillotines.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to mathematically represent the maximum force needed, considering factors like blade penetration and cutting velocity.
  • References to Merchant's circle as a model for cutting force analysis are made, with a participant questioning its applicability to the current scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculated cutting force and its realism, with some agreeing that the force seems plausible while others question its validity. There is no consensus on the best approach to calculate the cutting force or the applicability of certain models.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their calculations, including assumptions about shear strength and the geometry of cutting tools. The discussion also reflects uncertainty regarding the application of theoretical models like Merchant's circle to practical scenarios.

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I have been assigned by my tutor to design a plastic granulator. After designing its features of the shaft, rotor etc I tried to calculate the force needed of cutting a piece of plastic (POM/Polycarbonate) having an ultimate tensile strength of 70 Mpa (shear strength assumed to be equal to tensile). The maximum thickness of the plastic slab was fixed to 0.01m and assumed to be the length of the blades, 0.6m. This set up would cater for the maximum cutting action since plastic material is spread all over the blades.

The equation I used was: F = A x Ss

where F is the cutting force, A is the shear area (0.01 x 0.6) , and Ss is the shear strength.

Using this equation the cutting force would be ridiculously large, 420 kN.

Can someone please point me in the right direction ? Books, examples and explanations are appreciated

Thanks
 
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What is your objection to 420 kN?
 
420 kN sounds right for shear...

raniero said:
Can someone please point me in the right direction? Books, examples and explanations are appreciated

Ever tried to cut a tomato with a spoon? Why does a sharp knife require less force than spoon? How do you think you would calculate the cutting force required of a spoon vs a knife?

As far as cutting sheet goes, look at a pair of scissors, do they cut the entire sheet at once? Have you used a guillotine to cut sheet stock? they cut along the sheet like scissors.
 
Bystander said:
What is your objection to 420 kN?

The work was calculated using W=Fd, the rotor cuts 6 times per rotation and when calculating for 200 rpm the energy requirement is huge, in the tune of 7MW. Similar granulators have extremely lower power ratings.
 
And, if you examine them closely, you will notice that the blades are helices about the axis of the cutter --- they don't sever the entire 60 cm2 at once. Shears are built as guillotines for the same reason.
 
billy_joule said:
420 kN sounds right for shear...
Ever tried to cut a tomato with a spoon? Why does a sharp knife require less force than spoon? How do you think you would calculate the cutting force required of a spoon vs a knife?

As far as cutting sheet goes, look at a pair of scissors, do they cut the entire sheet at once? Have you used a guillotine to cut sheet stock? they cut along the sheet like scissors.

Thanks for your insight. A sharp knife has a very low area increasing pressure whick makes cutting 'easier'. Analysing the different areas of a knife and a spoon would show the force needed to cut.

Scissors do not cut at once no, but the design was made to do so (similar to marketed granulators)

I was suspecting that the cutting force I obtained was not realistic
 
Bystander said:
And, if you examine them closely, you will notice that the blades are helices about the axis of the cutter --- they don't sever the entire 60 cm2 at once. Shears are built as guillotines for the same reason.

Apart from the helical blades, if you consider the height, the blade does not penetrate the whole height (in my case 0.01m) in an instant but rather depend on the cutting velocity (in my case on rotational velocity since its a rotor). Does this make sens ? If so, how can I represent it mathematically to obtain maximum force needed ?
 
raniero said:
If so, how can I represent it mathematically to obtain maximum force needed ?

You have just exceeded my ability to assist --- I understand the question, but I can't tell you what to do to set it up, or how to solve it. Tool shape is going to sneak in on it as well --- hollow ground, wedge, relief, etc..
 
Merchant's circle is the most basic model:

http://www.learnengineering.org/2013/01/cutting-force-analysis-merchant-circle.html

A textbook on manufacturing technology is a good place to start.
 
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billy_joule said:
Merchant's circle is the most basic model:

http://www.learnengineering.org/2013/01/cutting-force-analysis-merchant-circle.html

A textbook on manufacturing technology is a good place to start.

Isn't merchant's circle based on the orthogonal cutting method ? If I recall correctly, the orthogonal cutting method can be used only when you can physically measure certain cutting forces, using these forces to 'derive' other forces to be used theoretically.
 

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