How is the Change in Limits from (1) to (3) in this Calculus Problem Explained?

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The discussion centers on understanding the change in limits of integration in a calculus problem involving double integrals. Participants explore the implications of changing the order of integration and the geometric interpretation of the region defined by the limits.

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  • Some participants describe the original integral where \( x \) ranges from 0 to 8 and \( y \) ranges from \( \sqrt[3]{x} \) to 2, indicating the region above the curve \( y = \sqrt[3]{x} \).
  • Others explain that when changing the order of integration, \( y \) ranges from 0 to 2, and for each \( y \), \( x \) ranges from 0 to \( y^3 \), suggesting a different geometric interpretation.
  • A participant notes that changing the order of integration can simplify the problem, making it easier to find an anti-derivative that is not expressible in elementary terms in the original form.
  • Another participant points out a potential typo in the original solution regarding the expression for the anti-derivative.
  • Some participants discuss the advantages of changing the order of integration, suggesting it can transform a complex problem into a simpler one.

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Participants generally agree on the geometric interpretations of the limits but express uncertainty about the implications of changing the order of integration and whether it always leads to simplification. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to the problem.

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There are mentions of limitations in the original integral's anti-derivative and potential typos in the expressions presented, but these issues are not fully resolved.

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\begin{align}\displaystyle
&=\int_{0}^{8}\displaystyle \int_{\sqrt[3]{x}}^{2}
\frac{dydx}{y^4+1}&&(1)\\
&\qquad D: 0\le x \le 8, \quad \sqrt[3]{x}\le y\le 2 &&(2)\\
&=\int_{0}^{2}\int_{0}^{y^3}
\frac{1}{y^4+1} \, dxdy&&(3)\\
&=\int_{0}^{2}\frac{y^3}{y^4+1} \, dy&&(4) \\
&=\frac{1}{4}(y^4+1)\biggr|_{0}^{2}&&(5)\\
&=\color{red}{\frac{1}{4}\ln{17}}
\end{align}
ok this was the solution that was given
but I don't understand the change in limits from (1) to(3)
$\tiny{t15.2.54}$
 
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\begin{align}\displaystyle
&=\int_{0}^{8}\displaystyle \int_{\sqrt[3]{x}}^{2}
\frac{dydx}{y^4+1}&&(1)\\
&\qquad D: 0\le x \le 8, \quad \sqrt[3]{x}\le y\le 2 &&(2)\\
&=\int_{0}^{2}\int_{0}^{y^3}
\frac{1}{y^4+1} \, dxdy&&(3)\\
&=\int_{0}^{2}\frac{y^3}{y^4+1} \, dy&&(4) \\
&=\frac{1}{4}(y^4+1)\biggr|_{0}^{2}&&(5)\\
&=\color{red}{\frac{1}{4}\ln{17}}
\end{align}
ok this was the solution that was given
but I don't understand the change in limits from (1) to(3)
$\tiny{t15.2.54}$

In the first quadrant:

$y = \sqrt[3]{x}$

$x = y^{3}$

Paint the region two different ways.
Vertical Stripes vs. Horizontal stripes.
 
In the first integral, x goes from 0 to 8 and, for each x, y goes from $\sqrt[3]{x}$ to 2. That region is above and to the left of the graph of $y= \sqrt[3]{x}$. So, overall, y goes from 0 up to 2 and, for each y, x goes from 0 to $y^3$.
 
so what is the advantage of thst?just easier numbers?
 
karush said:
so what is the advantage of thst?just easier numbers?
Sometimes, simply changing the order will take a problem from impossible to trivial.
 
As originally written the first integral, [math]\int \frac{dy}{y^4+ 1}[/math], does not have an anti-derivative in elementary terms. But changing the order of integration, the anti-derivative of [math]\int \frac{dx}{y^4+ 1}[/math] is just [math]\frac{x}{y^4+ 1}[/math]. And since the limits of integration are 0 and [math]y^3[/math], the next integral is [math]\int \frac{y^3 dy}{y^4+ 1}[/math] which is easy- use the substitution [math]u= y^4+ 1[/math].

By the way- there is a typo in the fifth line of your first post: It should be [math]\frac{1}{4}ln(y^4+ 1)[/math]. You dropped the "ln".
 
We have the $y \in [\sqrt[3]{x}, 2]$ and $ x \in [0,2]$. Now $\sqrt[3]{x} \le y \implies x \le y^3$ for $x \in [0,2]$. But also $0 \le x$.
Thus $x \in [0, y^3].$ Also if the minimum value of $x =0$ then $y \in [0,2].$ Hence $x \in [0, y^3],$ $y \in [0,2].$
 

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