How Is the Constraint Function in Equation 727 Used in Lagrangian Mechanics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the understanding and application of a constraint function in Lagrangian mechanics, specifically focusing on equation 727 from a referenced source. Participants explore the implications of non-potential and non-conservative forces in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding the constraint function labeled as equation 727 from a specific example in Lagrangian mechanics.
  • Another participant suggests that the constraint relates to the no slip condition, explaining that the distance down a plane is proportional to the angle turned through by a cylinder times its radius.
  • A further contribution clarifies that if a cylinder rolls without slipping, the distance traveled by a fixed point on the cylinder is related to the angle of rotation, leading to the constraint equation x=a φ, with x set to zero as an initial condition.
  • This participant notes that the constraint function can be expressed with some flexibility regarding signs and constants, which do not affect the solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the nature of the constraint function and its relation to the no slip condition, but the initial participant's understanding remains uncertain, indicating that the discussion is not fully resolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not address potential limitations or assumptions inherent in the application of the constraint function, nor does it clarify any unresolved mathematical steps related to equation 727.

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So in my internet readings on Lagrangian mechanics I started researching applications with non-potential and/or non-conservative forces and came across this page:

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/336k/Newton/node90.html

This page is fascinating but I'm having a bit of difficulty understanding a piece of the first example. Can some one explain to me the constraint function they came up with? Its labeled as equation 727. I feel like I'm missing something obvious but I just can't figure it out. Thank you!
 
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Isn't this the no slip condition?

That is in words

The distance (χ) down the plane = the angle turned through by the cylinder times the radius
 
Precisely: If the cylinder is rolling without slipping the distance, traveled of a fixed point from the initial time, where we set \phi=0 is given by the circumference along the cylinder boundary, i.e., it's a \phi, where a is the cylinder's radius. The same distance the cylinder's center axis has travelled, i.e., we must have the constraint
x=a \phi,
where we have chosen x=0 as an initial condition. The constraint function is then given (up to a sign and an overall multiplicative constant, which both are irrelevant for the solution of the problem) thus reads in this case as given by Eq. (727).

All the scripts of Fitzpatrick's are just mavelous by the way!:smile:
 
Sigh...I knew it was something obvious, thanks a lot guys!
 

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