How Is the Dielectric Constant Determined for a Rod to Prevent Light Absorption?

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The discussion revolves around determining the dielectric constant for a rod to prevent light absorption, specifically in the context of light refraction and Snell's law. Participants explore the implications of the dielectric constant on the behavior of light at the interface of different media.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of Snell's law and the conditions under which light can exit the rod without absorption. Questions arise regarding the implications of angles of incidence and the relationship between the dielectric constant and refractive index.

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There is an ongoing examination of the original poster's calculations and reasoning. Some participants express confusion over specific statements and seek clarification on the algebraic steps involved. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly concerning total internal reflection and the conditions for light behavior at the interface.

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Participants note potential gaps in the original poster's explanation, particularly regarding the conditions for total internal reflection and the necessary inequalities involving the refractive index. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify these aspects without providing direct solutions.

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## n_1 = \sqrt{ \epsilon _1} ## ...(1) ,

## n_2 = 1 ## ...(2)

## \frac { \sin {\theta_i}}{ \sin {\theta_l} } = \frac { n_1}{n_2} = n_1 ## ...(3)

## \cos{\theta_1} = \frac { n_2}{n_1} = \frac1{ n_1} ## ...(4)

According to the question, the dielectric constant should be such that even when the incident angle is slightly less than ## \frac { \pi} 2 ## , the ray should come out of the rod without getting absorbed.

So, ## \theta _i \leq \frac { \pi} 2 ## ...(5)

Taking ##\theta _i = \frac { \pi} 2 ## , ...(6) I don't know why I am taking this. ## \frac1{ \sin {\theta_l} }= n_1 ## ...(7)

## \cos{\theta_1} = \frac1{ n_1} ## ...(8)

From (7) and (8), I get

## n_1 = \sqrt{ 2} ## ...(9)

From (1), ## \epsilon _1 = n_1^2 ## ...(10)

So, that dielectric constant = 2, option (c).

Is this correct?
 

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Snell's law is written ## n_1 \sin(\theta_1)=n_2 \sin(\theta_2) ##. For this case ## n_1=\sqrt{\epsilon_{r1}} ##, and ## n_2 =1 ##. ## \\ ## ## \theta_1 ## is the angle of incidence inside the material, measured from the normal. There is a ## \theta_1 ## for which the left side of the equation is equal to 1. What happens if ## \theta_1 ## is such that the left side of the equation is greater than 1 ? Can you get a solution for the right side in that case, to determine the emerging angle of the refracted ray? ## \\ ## Editing: This problem is slightly tricky: If ## \theta_i=90^o ##,(the steepest angle of incidence at the entry point), ## \theta_r=\sin^{-1}(1/n_1) ##. The resulting ## \theta_1=90^o-\theta_r ##. I'll let you try to finish it up. Meanwhile, the file you uploaded is apparently the wrong one.
 
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Charles Link said:
Snell's law is written ## n_1 \sin(\theta_1)=n_2 \sin(\theta_2) ##. For this case ## n_1=\sqrt{\epsilon_{r1}} ##, and ## n_2 =1 ##. ## \\ ## ## \theta_1 ## is the angle of incidence inside the material, measured from the normal. There is a ## \theta_1 ## for which the left side of the equation is equal to 1. What happens if ## \theta_1 ## is such that the left side of the equation is greater than 1 ? Can you get a solution for the right side in that case, to determine the emerging angle of the refracted ray? ## \\ ## Editing: This problem is slightly tricky: If ## \theta_i=90^o ##,(the steepest angle of incidence at the entry point), ## \theta_r=\sin^{-1}(1/n_1) ##. The resulting ## \theta_1=90^o-\theta_r ##. I'll let you try to finish it up. Meanwhile, the file you uploaded is apparently the wrong one.
As far as I can make out, this matches what @Pushoam has done. Have you identified an error in the working?
 
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As far as I can make out, this matches what @Pushoam has done. Have you identified an error in the working?
The OP's statement after equation (6) was somewhat confusing. Meanwhile, I was expecting to see the statement ## n_1 \sin(\theta_1)>1 ## for total internal reflection. In addition, ## \sin(\theta_1)=\cos(\theta_r)=\frac{\sqrt{n_1^2-1}}{n_1} ##. Thereby ## \sqrt{n_1^2-1}>1 ##, so that ## n_1^2=\epsilon_{r1}>2 ##. ## \\ ## I didn't see these details in the OP's solution. ## \\ ## (It was difficult to answer the question by @haruspex without providing the solution.) ## \\ ## From what I can see, the OP gets the right answer, but the algebraic steps to the answer are not readily apparent. Perhaps the OP performed a similar algebra, but too many steps were omitted to readily tell how the OP arrived at the answer. :) ## \\ ## In any case, I think the OP @Pushoam might find these details useful.
 
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The OP's statement after equation (6) was somewhat confusing. Meanwhile, I was expecting to see the statement ## n_1 \sin(\theta_1)>1 ## for total internal reflection. In addition, ## \sin(\theta_1)=\cos(\theta_r)=\frac{\sqrt{n_1^2-1}}{n_1} ##. Thereby ## \sqrt{n_1^2-1}>1 ##, so that ## n_1^2=\epsilon_{r1}>2 ##. ## \\ ## I didn't see these details in the OP's solution. ## \\ ## (It was difficult to answer the question by @haruspex without providing the solution.) ## \\ ## From what I can see, the OP gets the right answer, but the algebraic steps to the answer are not readily apparent. Perhaps the OP performed a similar algebra, but too many steps were omitted to readily tell how the OP arrived at the answer. :) ## \\ ## In any case, I think the OP @Pushoam might find these details useful.
Ok, thanks for clarifying.
 
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