How is the electromagnetic tensor derived?

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The discussion centers around the derivation of the electromagnetic tensor, also known as the Faraday tensor, within the context of special relativity. Participants explore various aspects of its formulation, historical context, and the underlying logic, with a focus on both mathematical and qualitative explanations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a desire for a qualitative understanding of the electromagnetic tensor, noting that many resources focus primarily on mathematical derivations.
  • There is mention of the historical transition from electric and magnetic fields to the formulation of the Faraday tensor, with some participants seeking insights into this evolution.
  • One participant highlights the importance of constructing the four-potential and its relationship to the electromagnetic fields, suggesting that this reasoning is often overlooked in explanations.
  • Another participant discusses the role of symmetry in the derivation, proposing that the magnetic field's nature as a plane field implies certain properties about the system it belongs to.
  • Several participants engage in a mathematical exploration of the tensor, with one providing a detailed derivation using a covariant Lagrangian approach and discussing the implications of the resulting equations.
  • There is a question raised about whether the electromagnetic tensor is the only possible Lorentz invariant combination of the classical fields, with some participants suggesting that the rank of the tensor is constrained by the nature of the fields and sources involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to derive the electromagnetic tensor, with multiple competing views on the necessity of qualitative versus mathematical explanations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the completeness of existing explanations and the uniqueness of the tensor formulation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that existing articles often skip over the logical reasoning behind the derivation, focusing instead on mathematical formalism. There is also mention of potential limitations in understanding due to the complexity of transitioning between different dimensional representations of the fields.

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I understand that the EM tensor is a way of expressing the electromagnetic field in a frame invariant way, but how is it derived? Please use the (-+++) convention as I mostly use that.
 
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I'd be interested in this question as well--if someone has some historical insight into how the leap was made from E and B to the full-on Faraday tensor.
 
Interesting. I think that gets 90% of the way there, but the small subtlety of needing to construct the four-potential and using the relations between that and the EM fields is something they seem to gloss over. On the one hand, it seems fairly obvious, but on the other hand, the exact reasoning there that justifies it seems elusive.
 
I hate it when they use SI units in relativity, annoying c or c^2 factors
 
This page shows how we can derive it, but doesn't explain the reasoning for doing things the way they are done.
 
In the end, I think some amount of argument concerning symmetry has to be invoked. If the magnetic field is really a plane field and not a vector field, the object that it is a part of has to be at least a plane as well. The Faraday field is what results through a simple analogy of the field being a derivative of a potential. There is some amount of, yes, by magic it works. Trying to build up to 3+1D from 3D is, well, hard. Trying to go the other way is much easier--and, in my opinion, much cleaner from a conceptual standpoint, though it does have drawbacks.

Were I to teach EM, I might be tempted to start with the Faraday field and SR and show that the E and B fields in 3D come about from looking at particular components that are of relevant interest to 4-currents with various properties.
 
Im looking for a more qualitative explanation for this, so far all articles have ignored the logic and jumped to the maths.
 
GarageDweller said:
I understand that the EM tensor is a way of expressing the electromagnetic field in a frame invariant way, but how is it derived? Please use the (-+++) convention as I mostly use that.

The electric field and the magnetic field can be expresed in terms of the Coulomb potential [tex]\Phi[/tex] and magnetic vector potential a as

[tex]E = -\nabla \Phi - \frac{\partial \Phi}{\partial t}[/tex]

[tex]B = \nabla × a[/tex]

TGhe 4-potential is defined as A = ([tex]\Phi/c[/tex], a)

The Faraday Tensor is then defined as

[tex]F^{\alpha\beta} = ∂^{\alpha}A^{\beta} - ∂^{\beta}A^{\alpha}[/tex]

(Sorry. I don't know why the equation is broken up that way.)
 
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GarageDweller said:
Im looking for a more qualitative explanation for this, so far all articles have ignored the logic and jumped to the maths.
I'm not sure that there is any qualitative explanation. You have a mathematical object, you prove that it is a tensor, you use it to write an equation that expands to Maxwells equations, therefore it is the field tensor.
 
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For any action, if one performs an (artificial) variation of the metric tensor [itex]\delta g_{\mu \nu}[/itex], then, whatever comes as a coefficient in the expression for the variation of the action:
[tex] \delta S = -\frac{1}{2 c} \, \int{T^{\mu \nu} \, \delta g_{\mu \nu} \, \sqrt{-g} \, d^4 x}[/tex]
is identified as the stress-energy tensor.
 
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DaleSpam said:
I'm not sure that there is any qualitative explanation. You have a mathematical object, you prove that it is a tensor, you use it to write an equation that expands to Maxwells equations, therefore it is the field tensor.

Then the question is... is there really no other object which could be Lorentz invariant and sum up the two fields of classical theory? Is it the only possible tensor combination?
 
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I believe so. When you look at the differential equations for various ranks of field and source tensors, you should see that the field tensor must be rank two, and the source tensor must be rank one or three (they're related by duality). Anything else is fundamentally different.
 
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One way to derive it is to use a covariant Lagrangian with minimal coupling to the electromagnetic potential [itex]A^{\mu}[/itex]:

[itex]L = \dfrac{m}{2} U^{\mu} U_{\mu} - q A_{\mu} U^{\mu}[/itex]

where [itex]U^{\mu}[/itex] is the 4-velocity. Then the lagrangian equations of motion give:

[itex]\dfrac{d}{d \tau} \dfrac{\partial L}{\partial U^\mu} = \dfrac{\partial L}{\partial X^\mu}[/itex]

which gives:

[itex]m \dfrac{d U_\mu}{d \tau} - q \dfrac{d A_\mu}{d \tau}= - q \dfrac{\partial A_{\nu}}{\partial X^\mu} U^{\nu}[/itex]

Then we use [itex]\dfrac{d A_\mu}{d \tau}= U^{\nu} \dfrac{\partial A_{\mu}}{\partial X^\nu}[/itex] to get:

[itex]m \dfrac{d U_\mu}{d \tau} = q U^{\nu} (\dfrac{\partial A_{\mu}}{\partial X^\nu} - \dfrac{\partial A_{\nu}}{\partial X^\mu})[/itex]

So we just define [itex]F_{\mu \nu}[/itex] to be [itex]\dfrac{\partial A_{\mu}}{\partial X^\nu} - \dfrac{\partial A_{\nu}}{\partial X^\mu}[/itex] to get

[itex]m \dfrac{d U_\mu}{d \tau} = q U^{\nu} F_{\mu \nu}[/itex]

Then you just look at the spatial components:

[itex]m \dfrac{d U_j}{d \tau} = q U^{\nu} F_{j \nu}[/itex]
[itex]= q U^{t} F_{j t} + q U^{i} F_{j i}[/itex]

In the non-relativistic limit, this becomes:

[itex]m \dfrac{d v_j}{d t} = q c F_{j t} + q v^{i} F_{j i}[/itex]

The right-hand side is just [itex]q E_j + q (v \times B)_j[/itex], provided that you identify:

[itex]E_j = c F_{j t}[/itex]
[itex]B_j = \epsilon_{i j k} F_{j i}[/itex]
 

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