How Is the Probability Density Function Calculated?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of the probability density function (pdf), focusing on definitions, assumptions, and methods for deriving the pdf in both discrete and continuous contexts. Participants seek clarification on specific terms and the mathematical formulation related to probability theory.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the calculation of the probability density function and requests definitions for "reference measure" and the 'E' symbol in the context of probability.
  • Another participant suggests that the calculation of a pdf begins with determining whether the domain is discrete or continuous, which influences the approach taken.
  • It is proposed that there are two main approaches to obtaining a pdf: an assumption-based approach and an empirical approach, with examples provided for each.
  • The assumption-based approach relies on the Kolmogorov Axioms and additional constraints to derive the pdf, with specific distributions like uniform, binomial, and Poisson mentioned.
  • The empirical approach involves conducting experiments to derive the pdf, exemplified by using an unbiased die to gather data.
  • For discrete probability, it is noted that no extra work is needed, while for continuous probability, specifying intervals is necessary.
  • Clarification is provided that the notation Pr[X∈A] refers to the probability that the random variable X belongs to the set A, linking it to basic set theory.
  • One participant recommends searching for examples of random variables to aid understanding of continuous and discrete cases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to calculating the pdf, as multiple methods and interpretations are discussed without resolution.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions needed for different probability distributions and the specific mathematical steps required for integration in various contexts.

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Hello! I have been having problems with understanding how the probability density function is calculated. However, at the same time, I need it urgently for my research. Well, you could start by giving me a definition of
1. Refernce measure
2. That 'E' sign(looks like an epsilon, and I sound very untechnical)
And could you define this for me:

[itex]Pr[X\in A]=\int_{A}f d\mu[/itex]

Never really learned much about probability theory. Anyway, I am mainly asking how to do the calculations,ie I understand the first part of the equation but don't know how to calculate the second half.
 
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Ashwin_Kumar said:
Hello! I have been having problems with understanding how the probability density function is calculated. However, at the same time, I need it urgently for my research. Well, you could start by giving me a definition of
1. Refernce measure
2. That 'E' sign(looks like an epsilon, and I sound very untechnical)
And could you define this for me:

[itex]Pr[X\in A]=\int_{A}f d\mu[/itex]

Never really learned much about probability theory. Anyway, I am mainly asking how to do the calculations,ie I understand the first part of the equation but don't know how to calculate the second half.

Hello Ashwin_Kumar and welcome to the forums.

Typically most probabiltity density functions start from a set of assumptions.

The first thing you have to do is to figure out whether your domain is discrete or continuous: this can be determined by figuring out what you are measuring and if that variable is continuous or discrete.

Given the above there are two ways to get a pdf: the first is an assumption based approach and the second is the empirical approach.

An assumption based approach is just that: you use assumptions and from those you derive your density function.

The first thing you need to do is to make note of the Kolmogorov Axioms for a probability space.

Once you have these you add extra constraints to get your pdf. For example a uniform distribution is based on the axiom that every possibility of the domain has the same chance as every other possibility. The binomial is built on the idea that there are only two choices and that every individual Bernoulli trial within the space is independent of every other one. The Poisson process is a special kind of Binomial distribution.

The empirical approach is where you carry out some kind of test or experiment to get the probabilities. For example let's say you want to get the pdf for an unbiased dice and you don't want to take the uniform assumption for granted. You can use an experiment in conjunction with the law of large numbers to find a pdf based entirely on the results of your experiment.

The above is good when the distribution does not seem to correspond with any of the common assumptions found with distributions.

There are also distributions that are used mostly for analysis like the chi-square and the student t distribution.

In terms of probability for discrete you have the probability so no extra work needs to be done. For continuous you need to specify an interval (or a collection of intervals) to get a probability.

With respect to your equation, if we are talking about a domain on R, then you just use standard Riemann type integration. If it's on some kind of custom measure, then use the theory for that measure in the same kind of way.
 
I suggest you Google "random variable" and read the examples you find about continuous and discrete random variables. That should get you started.
 
Pr[X∈A] means ''Probability that X is an element of A". It is just simple set theory.
 

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