How is the tangent and area inverse?

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The discussion revolves around the conceptual relationship between the tangent to a curve and the area under that curve, specifically exploring how these two concepts can be viewed as inverses of each other. Participants delve into interpretations of derivatives and integrals, examining their implications in various contexts such as physics and calculus.

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  • One participant suggests that the confusion arises from conflating the interpretations of derivatives and integrals, noting that while integrals represent area under a curve, they can also yield different physical quantities like displacement when integrating velocity.
  • Another participant emphasizes the distinction between the derivative as the slope of the tangent line and the tangent line itself, proposing a rephrasing of the question to focus on the relationship between slope and area.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the analogy of distance as the area under the curve, with rate as the derivative and time as the duration of that rate, suggesting that integrating the derivative over an interval accumulates total quantities like distance or work.
  • Another participant discusses the Riemann sum approach, linking the calculation of area to the derivative through the concept of approximating the area with rectangles, ultimately leading to the familiar form of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus.

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Participants express various interpretations and analogies regarding the relationship between tangent and area, with no clear consensus reached on a singular intuitive explanation. Multiple competing views remain on how to conceptualize this relationship.

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I've never been able to visualize how the tangent to a curve and the area under a curve are inverses of each other, can anyone give some intuitiveness to this?
 
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I think the problem is that you are taking interpretations of the derivative and the integral (which are inverse operations) for those things, themselves.

Integrals can be understood as the area under a curve, but that doesn't mean that they are the area under the curve. For example, if you integrate the velocity of an object, you'll get its displacement. Displacement is in meters, not meters squared - so how does that jive with the integral as area under a curve? The answer lies in the fact that the "height" of the curve (i.e. the y-axis) is in m/s and the "base" (i.e. x-axis) of the curve is in seconds, so when you multiply base x height to get area, the units of time vanish and you get an "area" whose units are in meters ... This isn't as strange as it may sound at first. The key is that the idea of an integral as an area is an interpretation

ps. to make this clear: consider the language of your question, itself: you're identifying the derivative with the tangent, when in fact that isn't exactly the interpretation of the derivative commonly used. The derivative is the slope of the tangent line - not the tangent line itself. So the question would be re-phrased as "how are the slope and the area inverses", again they aren't really. Now if you think of y and x as both being measured in meters, then the slope as no dimensions (it's just a number) whereas the area has units of meters squared ... So in first case (taking the derivative) we start with meters and end with no units (just a number), but in the second case we start with meters and end with meters squared. Perhaps that analogy helps clarify how a slop and an area are "inverses" - ?
 
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Woopydalan said:
I've never been able to visualize how the tangent to a curve and the area under a curve are inverses of each other, can anyone give some intuitiveness to this?

Distance = rate * time.

Distance is the total amount of stuff -- the area under the curve, the distance travelled, the amount of work done.

Rate is the derivative.

Time is how long you maintain that particular rate.

Now if the rate varies, you can conceptually divide the curve up into little pieces, on each of which the rate is pretty close to constant. Then you add up all the little d = rt calculations. In the limit, you're just integrating the derivative over an interval to see how much total stuff was accumulated (stuff meaning distance, work, area, etc.)

Does that help? I think you can spin that heuristic description into a proof of the FTC.
 
Woopydalan said:
I've never been able to visualize how the tangent to a curve and the area under a curve are inverses of each other, can anyone give some intuitiveness to this?

Think about the derivative as being approximately [f(x+h) - f(x)]/h and then think about the Riemann sum where for one 'rectangle' or 'strip', the area is calculated by h*[f(x+h]-f(x)]/h = [f(x+h) - f(x)]. If you add up all the strips you end up getting the familiar form F(b) - F(a) for the riemann sum, and f(x) for derivative.
 

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