How Is Total Kinetic Energy Calculated in This Mechanical System?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of total kinetic energy (KE) in a mechanical system involving various components, including masses and moments of inertia. Participants explore the formulation of the kinetic energy equation and the necessary parameters to complete the calculation.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants present a formula for total kinetic energy involving mass and moment of inertia terms, questioning whether the initial formulation is correct.
  • There is speculation about the meanings of the variables \(J_0\), \(J_1\), and \(J_s\), with assumptions made about their definitions related to the mechanical components of the system.
  • Participants express uncertainty regarding the availability of necessary parameters, such as the mass of the crank lever, to complete the kinetic energy calculation.
  • One participant suggests that if the moment of inertia is provided with respect to the axis of rotation, the mass of the crank lever may not be needed.
  • Another participant proposes a method to determine the equivalent mass of the system based on displacements and small angle approximations, leading to a derived expression for equivalent mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct formulation of the kinetic energy equation or the necessary parameters for calculation. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the definitions and values of the variables involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include missing assumptions about the mechanical system's configuration, dependence on specific definitions of moments of inertia, and unresolved mathematical steps related to the equivalent mass calculation.

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For the following system, what is the total KE?

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I have the following
\[
\frac{1}{2}m_1\dot{x}_1^2 + \frac{1}{2}J_1\dot{\theta}_1 + \frac{1}{2}J_0\dot{\theta}_0^2 + \frac{1}{2}m_s\dot{x}_s^2 + \frac{1}{2}J_s\dot{\theta}_s^2
\]
\(J\) is the mass moment of inertia.
 
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dwsmith said:
For the following system, what is the total KE?


I have the following
\[
\frac{1}{2}m_1\dot{x}_1^2 + \frac{1}{2}J_1\dot{\theta}_1 + \frac{1}{2}J_0\dot{\theta}_0^2 + \frac{1}{2}m_s\dot{x}_s^2 + \frac{1}{2}J_s\dot{\theta}_s^2
\]
\(J\) is the mass moment of inertia.

I'm guessing you meant
$$\frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}_1^2 + \frac{1}{2}J_1\dot{\theta}_1^2 + \frac{1}{2}J_0\dot{\theta}_0^2 + \frac{1}{2}m_s\dot{x}_s^2 + \frac{1}{2}J_s\dot{\theta}_s^2,$$
right? If so, I'd agree. I'm assuming here that you meant $J_0$ to be the MoI of the vertical part of the crank lever, $J_1$ to be the MoI of the horizontal part, and $J_s$ to be the MoI of the sphere. Is that right?

I'm also guessing that you're meant to look up the necessary MoI's. I'm not sure how you can finish this problem without knowing the mass of the crank lever. The MoI of a rod of length $\ell$ and mass $m$ rotated about an end is $m\ell^2/3$. The MoI of a solid sphere rotating about its center is $mr^2/5$.
 
dwsmith said:
\[
\frac{1}{2}m_1\dot{x}_1^2 + \frac{1}{2}J_1\dot{\theta}_1 + \frac{1}{2}J_0\dot{\theta}_0^2 + \frac{1}{2}m_s\dot{x}_s^2 + \frac{1}{2}J_s\dot{\theta}_s^2
\]
\(J\) is the mass moment of inertia.

What are $m_1, x_1, J_1, \theta_1$?
I can't find them in the drawing.
It seems to me that at least $J_1, \theta_1$ are not given, nor relevant.
Ackbach said:
I'm not sure how you can finish this problem without knowing the mass of the crank lever.

We would not need the mass of the crank lever if the MoI is given with respect to the axis of rotation.
 
Ackbach said:
I'm guessing you meant
$$\frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}_1^2 + \frac{1}{2}J_1\dot{\theta}_1^2 + \frac{1}{2}J_0\dot{\theta}_0^2 + \frac{1}{2}m_s\dot{x}_s^2 + \frac{1}{2}J_s\dot{\theta}_s^2,$$
right? If so, I'd agree. I'm assuming here that you meant $J_0$ to be the MoI of the vertical part of the crank lever, $J_1$ to be the MoI of the horizontal part, and $J_s$ to be the MoI of the sphere. Is that right?

I'm also guessing that you're meant to look up the necessary MoI's. I'm not sure how you can finish this problem without knowing the mass of the crank lever. The MoI of a rod of length $\ell$ and mass $m$ rotated about an end is $m\ell^2/3$. The MoI of a solid sphere rotating about its center is $mr^2/5$.

My end goal is to determine the equivalent mass of the system. If we say the mass connected to spring 1 is displaced \(x_1\), the bell crank level will displace \(x_1 = \ell_1\theta_1\) (small angle approximaitons). Would that imply that the vertical arm of the bell crank would also displace at the same angle and distance? That is, would we have \(x_0 = x_1 = \ell_2\theta_0 = \ell_2\theta_1\)?

This would then cause the distance diplaced by \(x_s = x_1\)?

Using this idea, I have
\[
\frac{1}{2}\dot{x}^2\Big[m + m_s + \frac{m_0 + m_1}{3} + \frac{m_s}{5}\Big]
\]
Therefore, \(m_{eq} = m + m_s + \frac{m_0 + m_1}{3} + \frac{m_s}{5}\).
 
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