How Is Work Done by Friction Calculated?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by friction on a 15 kg object being pulled horizontally over a distance of 15 meters, with a coefficient of friction initially stated as 0.04. Participants are exploring the relationship between force, displacement, and work in the context of friction.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to calculate the frictional force and subsequently the work done by it, with some expressing uncertainty about their calculations and the values provided in the problem. Questions arise regarding the coefficient of friction and its impact on the results.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning the accuracy of the coefficient of friction. Some participants suggest that a potential typo in the problem statement could lead to different interpretations of the results. There is no explicit consensus on the correct answer, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the possibility of a typo in the coefficient of friction, which could significantly alter the calculations. The discussion also highlights the importance of understanding the direction of forces and their impact on work done.

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"What is the work doen by friction on a 15 kg object pulled horizontally in a straigth line for 15 meters, if the coefficient of friction between the object and the surface is given by uk = .04?"

a) -59 J
b) -91 J
c) -145 J
d) -590 J
e) -890 J

Im not sure how I would solve this problem. From what I've read, and was given, "the work done on an object is equal to the product of the parallel component of force and the magnitude of displacement it causes."

well, the displacement was 15m, but the component of the force is what I am having trouble with. The normal force is 147, multiplied by .04 would give me 58.8. This would lead me to choice A, however, I am sure I am missing some important steps.
 
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Well, I haven't managed to get it to equal any of those values exactly, but remember that the 58.8 you've calculated is the value of the frictional force, not the work done by it.
 
one of the things I was trying is that by calculating the product of the component of the force (58.8) and the 15m displacement, which gives me 882. Its close to 890, but I still doubt its the answer.
 
I also think you might be a factor of 10 out.

Unless I am also missing something:

Weight = mg so Normal also = mg = 15 x 9.81 = 147 as you say. SO Friction = 0.04 of this = 5.89

So Work done by friction is this x the distance which I get to be -88.29.

Now, using g = 10 instead of 9.81 gives 90 exactly, so I don't understand why it's 91. So, I may be utterly misunderstanding this - hopefully someone else can confirm it for you.
 
rsk said:
I also think you might be a factor of 10 out.

Unless I am also missing something:

Weight = mg so Normal also = mg = 15 x 9.81 = 147 as you say. SO Friction = 0.04 of this = 5.89

So Work done by friction is this x the distance which I get to be -88.29.

Now, using g = 10 instead of 9.81 gives 90 exactly, so I don't understand why it's 91. So, I may be utterly misunderstanding this - hopefully someone else can confirm it for you.


I agree with all those numbers. I also thought for a second that they had used g =10 m/s^2 instead of the usual 9.80 m/s^2 but it does give -90 J in that case

(to the OP: the work done by the friction force is \mu_k n d cos(180) = -\mu_k n d.)

I don't know how they could have got -91 J but that's the closest.
 
Please check the problem statement again. I have a sneaky feeling that the friction coefficient is 0.4, not the 0.04 that you have written. Just a typo, that's all. Since the friction force on the object is is in the opposite direction of its displacement, the work will be negative.
W_f = =-u_kNd = -0.4(15)(9.8)(15) = -882J. That'd makes (e) the correct answer. Why do you doubt your work?
 
hey, you're right Phanthom, it is 0.4. Sorry for the mistake guys!
As for your question, I don't know why I doubt my work, just trying to make sure I am going in the right direction. Thanks again guys
 

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