How large is the normal force? (applying Newtons laws phys )

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The discussion revolves around calculating the normal force acting on a child sliding down an inclined slide, with considerations of various forces including weight, normal force, kinetic friction, and an external horizontal force. The subject area pertains to Newton's laws of motion.

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  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's second law to determine the normal force, considering the balance of forces perpendicular to the slide. Questions arise regarding the effects of the horizontal rope's force and its components on the normal force and the child's stability on the slide.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the forces at play. Some guidance has been offered regarding the balance of forces, but there is no explicit consensus on the calculations or the implications of the forces involved.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework problem, which may limit the information available for a complete analysis. The problem requires expressing the answer with two significant figures, which may influence the precision of the discussion.

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how large is the normal force? (applying Newtons laws phys 1111)

A 23 kg child goes down a straight slide inclined 38 degrees above horizontal. The child is acted on by his weight, the normal force from the slide, kinetic friction, and a horizontal rope exerting a 30 N force as shown in the figure.

How large is the normal force of the slide on the child?
Express your answer using two significant figures.

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Hi natty210! :wink:

Since there is (obviously!) no acceleration perpendicular to the slide, good ol' Newton's second law means that the sum of the components, in that direction, of all the forces must be zero.

Show us what you get. :smile:
 


Might I chime in with a quick question about this problem? The normal force obviously provides an equal and opposite force to the forces pointing down perpendicular to the slide (whatever those may be, natty210). This would create a net force of 0 (equivalent to a pencil resting on a desk). However, the horizontal rope has a component that is upwards perpendicular to the slide (equivalent to pulling on a rope attached to my pencil that is angled a bit - this causes my pencil to rise). What causes the child to stay on the slide?
 
Hi TwoTruths! :smile:

Because the weight of the child is (I hope! :rolleyes:) more than enough to balance that …

the normal force will be reduced, but not enough for the child to lose contact.

(This is similar to the question of whether a car will lose contact with a roller-coaster …the other forces, less the acceleration, must be enough to keep the normal force greater than zero)
 

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