How Long Does It Take a Person to Reach Terminal Velocity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around estimating the time it takes for a person to reach terminal velocity while falling from various heights in Earth's gravitational field, taking into account air resistance. Participants explore the complexities of modeling this scenario, including factors such as body orientation and drag force.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests estimating the fall time for a person of specific dimensions (170 cm tall, 80 kg) from heights between 30 m and 10,000 m, noting potential inaccuracies at extremes due to changing gravitational effects.
  • Another participant emphasizes that terminal velocity is highly dependent on the orientation of the falling person, with different positions resulting in varying air resistance. They mention a rough estimate of terminal velocity being around 100 mph for a flat position, but caution against quoting this figure.
  • A later reply proposes an estimate of terminal velocity at around 120 mph for a person in random positions and acknowledges the simplicity of modeling speed, distance, and time once terminal velocity is reached, while questioning how to model the approach to terminal velocity.
  • One participant advises formulating Newton's second law for the falling object and establishing a relationship for drag force as a function of velocity, suggesting that the drag force constants should align with the estimated terminal velocities of 100-120 mph. They propose solving the resulting differential equation for velocity over time, starting from zero velocity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying estimates for terminal velocity and highlight different factors affecting it, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on a definitive model or approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the influence of body orientation and clothing on terminal velocity, as well as the potential inaccuracies in gravitational assumptions at higher altitudes, which may affect the modeling of the fall.

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I want to estimate how long it will take a person (I could specify their dimensions and density :P but maybe just take it as 170 cm tall, 80 kg, etc.) to fall a certain height in the gravitational field of the Earth, not neglecting air resistance.

I'm looking at heights anywhere from say 30 m to 10,000 m although I appreciate at both extremes the model I'm expecting wouldn't be that accurate (presumably g may begin to differ with height once you get to 10,000m changes?).
 
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The terminal velocity will depend very much on how this person falls, how much of his body is exposed to the air resistance. Think of someone falling foot down making a straight vertical line, this person would experience much less air resistance than someone falling face flat towards the ground, sprawled out. The terminal velocity will depend on this orientation (as well as other factors like the clothes this person is wearing, etc.) So, it's hard to give you any concrete answers. But I have heard that roughly the terminal velocity of a human in a flat position is ~100mph, but don't quote me on this.
 
Matterwave said:
The terminal velocity will depend very much on how this person falls, how much of his body is exposed to the air resistance. Think of someone falling foot down making a straight vertical line, this person would experience much less air resistance than someone falling face flat towards the ground, sprawled out. The terminal velocity will depend on this orientation (as well as other factors like the clothes this person is wearing, etc.) So, it's hard to give you any concrete answers. But I have heard that roughly the terminal velocity of a human in a flat position is ~100mph, but don't quote me on this.

I did some digging around and came up with an estimate of around 120 mph for a human "in random positions". How about we assume this for terminal velocity?

Clearly once the human is "at" or "very near" terminal velocity, we can model speed/distance/time very easily by taking the speed as nearly constant. But it's not nearly so obvious how the approach to terminal velocity can be modeled in terms of time and distance (or for that matter speed)?
 
You need to formulate Newton's second law for the falling object, and you need a relationship for the drag force acting on the object as a function of the velocity. The constants in the relationship for the drag force must be such that, if you set the acceleration equal to zero, you predict a velocity of 100-120 mph. You can then solve the resulting differential equation for the velocity as a function of time, starting with zero velocity downward at time zero.

Chet
 

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