How long does it take the penny to reach the ground?

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The problem involves a girl on an amusement park ride who releases a penny while ascending vertically at a speed of 5.0 m/s from a height of 30 m. The question is to determine how long it takes for the penny to reach the ground.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the initial velocity of the penny and its effect on the time calculation, with some correcting the original poster's value from 50 m/s to 5 m/s. There are also attempts to estimate the time using different methods, including breaking the motion into segments.

Discussion Status

The discussion has highlighted a critical error in the initial calculations regarding the initial speed. Participants have provided estimates and alternative approaches, leading to a more accurate understanding of the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem without a clear consensus yet.

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Some participants mention the use of different values for gravitational acceleration, indicating a potential source of confusion. The original poster's homework context and rules are not fully detailed, but there is an emphasis on reworking the problem based on feedback.

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Homework Statement



A girl is on a ride at an amusement park. She is 30m above the ground and is ascending vertically at 5.0 m/s. While she is ascending, she holds her arm out and releases a penny. How long does it take th penny to reach the ground?

Homework Equations



y=yi+vit+0.5(at^2)

Quadriatic formula.


The Attempt at a Solution



vi=5.0 m/s
yi=30 m
a=-9.8 m/s^2 (Letting up be positive.)
y=0

0=30m+50m/s t+0.5(-9.8 ,/s^2) t^2
For the quadriatic formula, C= 30 m, B=50 m/s, and A= -4.9 m/s^2

After using the formula the positive answer is t≈10.79 s. Is this correct? Thanks for a reply!
 
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Medgirl314 said:

Homework Statement



A girl is on a ride at an amusement park. She is 30m above the ground and is ascending vertically at 5.0 m/s. While she is ascending, she holds her arm out and releases a penny. How long does it take th penny to reach the ground?

Homework Equations



y=yi+vit+0.5(at^2)

Quadriatic formula.


The Attempt at a Solution



vi=5.0 m/s
yi=30 m
a=-9.8 m/s^2 (Letting up be positive.)
y=0

0=30m+50m/s t+0.5(-9.8 ,/s^2) t^2
For the quadriatic formula, C= 30 m, B=50 m/s, and A= -4.9 m/s^2

After using the formula the positive answer is t≈10.79 s. Is this correct? Thanks for a reply!
Try again. B should be 5.0, not 50.
 
The initial speed is 5 m/s and not 50 m/s, right?
With 5 m/s the time is about 3s.
 
Thanks to both of you!

I can't believe I forgot a decimal and thought it was right for the entire million-step problem. I thought the answer was a bit too high. (P.S. @ nasu- Someone is most likely going to come snap at you for giving me a partial answer, but it's not like I'm not reworking the problem anyway. Just a heads up. )

After doing the exact same thing but remembering the decimal: T is approximately 3.04 s.
 
You already showed your work. You just made an error and I gave you my estimate of the answer.
 
Ah, gotcha. Sorry, I know, I just had somebody else do the same thing and get snapped at, so I wasn't sure. Thanks for all your help! :-)
 
Also, that is a really great estimate.
 
You can do it yourself.:smile:
The numbers were nice here. And I took g=10 m/s^2.
So it goes up t1=0.5 s (the speed decreases by 10 m/s every second).
The up distance is [itex]5t_1^2[/itex] or [itex]5\times (1/2)^2 =5\times (1/4)=1.25 m[/itex]
(5 is g/2 where g is 10 m/s^2; 1/2 is t1=0.5s)

Then it falls freely from 31.5 m. How long it takes?
[itex]t_2^2=31.5/5= 6.25 s^2[/itex]
And this is the square of 2.5. So t2=2.5s and t1=0.5 s, total 3s.
This is the reason for the estimate to be so close. If it were some not so nice a number (a square of something familiar), I'll have to estimate the square root and it will be less accurate.

Doing it by pieces may help you to understand better. But is just a suggestion. :smile:
If it's confusing, just disregard it. I only wanted to show you that it was indeed an estimate, that it can be done without even writing something down.
 
That's really neat! Thanks!
 

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